Help with clarification on Wild Shaping melee druid


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I have a few questions, but could you also let me know where exactly the rule is written? (So I can show it to my DM.)

If a druid in natural form has 3 primary natural attacks-
(Whether Aspect of the beast- claw + Toothy half orc racial trait, OR Saurian Shaman with the Totem Transformation natural attacks bite/claw/claw)
- How is the Str damage bonus applied? Full bonus for each attack? Full BAB to each attack? Where is it written?

Could a Druid create limitless water with the create water spell given enough time (Since orisons aren't expended when cast)?

Are dinosaurs Common, and would it be a waste to go Saurian Shaman when the DM is being quite mysterious about the compaign (home game). I'd hade to go Saurian and there aren't any dinosaurs nearby (ie, no companion for me)

Scarab Sages

So, Natural Attacks from the PRD:
Natural Attacks Most creatures possess one or more natural attacks (attacks made without a weapon). These attacks fall into one of two categories, primary and secondary attacks. Primary attacks are made using the creature's full base attack bonus and add the creature's full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Secondary attacks are made using the creature's base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature's full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 times the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one. If a creature has only one type of attack, but has multiple attacks per round, that attack is treated as a primary attack, regardless of its type. The natural attacks by size table lists some of the most common types of natural attacks and their classifications.

As to the Druid creating a limitless water supply.... Probably, but why spend the time doing it?

And as to the availability of dinosaurs: Ask your GM. If he won't give you an answer, don't take an archetype relying on them. The availability of a creature in a given campaign is entirely up to the guy running the campaign.


So, do I need the multi-attack feat to attack with all three in a round? Or can I use all of them as a full attack (as most animals would)?

Scarab Sages

Redchigh wrote:
So, do I need the multi-attack feat to attack with all three in a round? Or can I use all of them as a full attack (as most animals would)?

Multiattack lowers the penalty for your secondary natural attacks from -5 to -2, but you don't need it to make a full attack with your complete set of natural weapons.


That's what I thought- Where is that "you don't need it to make a full attack with your complete set of natural weapons" rule located so I can show it to the DM?


Also, Multiattack only applies to secondary natural attacks, which are quite rare (almost everything is primary). Mostly just matters for horses and squids, so unless you REALLY like being a pretty pony it's a wasted feat.


It wasn't my DM, but another player was absolutely convinced that if I turn into a velociraptor, I have to get multi-attack to use it's primary weapons. Just in case my DM agrees with him, do you know what book it's in?

Sovereign Court

Natural Attacks wrote:
You do not receive additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus. Instead, you receive additional attack rolls for multiple limb and body parts capable of making the attack (as noted by the race or ability that grants the attacks).

I think this is what you're looking for, from the Combat chapter of the PF core rulebook.


Thanks!


Redchigh wrote:


Could a Druid create limitless water with the create water spell given enough time (Since orisons aren't expended when cast)?

Yes. But keep in mind that the amount of water you're creating isn't that much. Its enough for the drinking needs for a small community, you'd be hard pressed to keep much more than a small village's agriculture going.

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Are dinosaurs Common, and would it be a waste to go Saurian Shaman when the DM is being quite mysterious about the compaign (home game). I'd hade to go Saurian and there aren't any dinosaurs nearby (ie, no companion for me)

You need to ask the DM. if you're on golarion they're not exactly rare if you're in the mawangi expanse or know the right hidden Vales in varisia. You can also probably find another druid with one as a companion. The absolom market sells almost ANYTHING , including exotic mounts.

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