Razortusk vs. Toothy

[Axl]

Which is better: the Razortusk feat or the Toothy racial trait?

Are they (more-or-less) the same?

If so, is Orc Ferocity worth a feat?

[blackbloodtroll]

The Tusked Race trait is better. Eat a trait, get a bite.
It's in Orcs of Golarion, by the way.

[Umbranus]

I think it's strange that the feat and the alternate race trait are just for half-orcs, not for orcs.
The trait is the only way for an orc to get the bite.

Shouldn't it be the full orc for whom it is easier to get a bite?

[blackbloodtroll]

Tusked is a Race trait, not an alternate Racial trait.
Available to Orcs and Half-Orcs.

[Umbranus]

Yes, I know. But still there is an alternate racial trait for half orcs and a feat for half orcs.
So half orcs (having 3 options instead of 1 for orcs) have an easier time getting the bite than orcs.
And I think that is strange.

[Bart Vervaet]

Umbranus wrote:

Yes, I know. But still there is an alternate racial trait for half orcs and a feat for half orcs.

So half orcs (having 3 options instead of 1 for orcs) have an easier time getting the bite than orcs.
And I think that is strange.

thats probably because half-orc is a core class, so much more options have been published for it.

I don't have my books handy atm but if orcs have the orc ferocity racial trait I wouldn't have a problem as a GM to switch it for toothy.

That would give orcs the same choices as half orcs.

[blackbloodtroll]

Orc should be able to take alternate racial traits of half-orcs, as long as they have the relevant racial trait.
Much like how Duergar can do the same with alternate dwarf racial traits, if they have the relevant racial trait.

[Axl]

blackbloodtroll, thanks for pointing out "Tusked". It looks like it is a trait that does exactly the same thing as Razortusk and Toothy. Yet Razortusk is a whole feat.

[the David]

There is a racial trait, a trait and a feat that all do the same thing? Somehow this seems... Bloaty?

[Rasmus Wagner]

the David wrote:

There is a racial trait, a trait and a feat that all do the same thing? Somehow this seems... Bloaty?

Paizo publihes stuff without checking it against previously published stuff. Who would have thought we'd see that in our lifetime?

[Zolthux]

Well you can be a human, take racial heritage feat (Orc) with your bonus feat, and choose razorturk as your level 1 feat.

For example, I could make a human barbarian, flavor it as being the descendant of orcs (Maybe the only feature he has that shows it is his big heavy jaw), and thus have access to the bite attack, heart of the fields (replacing skilled) and adding to my supersticious rage power for being a human, on top of the bite attack, WITHOUT having to sacrifice neither one of my 2 starting traits.

[DSXMachina]

Zolthux wrote:

Well you can be a human, take racial heritage feat (Orc) with your bonus feat, and choose razorturk as your level 1 feat.

For example, I could make a human barbarian, flavor it as being the descendant of orcs (Maybe the only feature he has that shows it is his big heavy jaw), and thus have access to the bite attack, heart of the fields (replacing skilled) and adding to my supersticious rage power for being a human, on top of the bite attack, WITHOUT having to sacrifice neither one of my 2 starting traits.

Can you have to use the Rage Power: Bite as well as Toothy/Razortusk?

If not wouldn't it be better to wait a level & use the feat to take an additional Rage Power, instead of spending 2 feats.

[Zolthux]

you could, but then it's a choice between a static ability and something you can only use while raging.

I'm not defending this as a viable build, but it could be made into one.

All I am saying is that you are given the choice of how to get the bite attack between giving up a standard racial ability, a trait and a feat; and how it could be useful to take the feat.

[blackbloodtroll]

Adopted trait can grant you the Tusked trait as well.