Does anyone know of an item that will let my medium size character become small for extended periods of time? He can't cast reduce person but he has UMD and a wand of it for now. Closest I could find was a greater hat of disguise that would let me alter self. Any other items I'm missing?
Reduce Person Spell + Permanency = 2500gp material component + 630gp for caster services = 3130gp total (unless you have a party member cast it in which case just use the material component cost).
- Gauss
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sweet, quick question, does the same cost apply to enlarge person? or is that slightly different?
In short what is the cost of a permanent enlarge person?
Well I was kind of looking for an item (so I could take it of if needed). That's why I was thinking the hat.
Gobo Horde, yes. Check the spell Permanency in the core rulebook.
CRobledo: Robe of Blending (Alter Self spell) is the magic item you are looking for. However, the duration is only 1 hour. I would suggest Reduce Person to get you down to size normally...then occassionally using Enlarge Person or Alter self to return to medium size.
Or, if you just want small size for an hour use the robe.
- Gauss
Does anyone know of an item that will let my medium size character become small for extended periods of time? He can't cast reduce person but he has UMD and a wand of it for now. Closest I could find was a greater hat of disguise that would let me alter self. Any other items I'm missing?
You can always ask your GM for a custom item. Point him to page 550 of the Core Rulebook, and ask for a continuous item of Reduce Person.
A continuous item has a cost of:
2000 gp x SpellLevel x CasterLevel
... with factors based on the spell's duration - in this case, multiply by 2 because the duration is measured in Minutes/Level.
So the final cost of a "Ring of Reduce Person" would be: 2000gp x 1 x 1 x 2 = 4,000 gp.
That 4k is just a formula estimate, though. A GM might veto it or come up with an alternate cost, but I wouldn't see a problem with it myself; it basically just turns a human-sized char into a halfling-sized one.
KBrewer:
The item he is seeking is already made: The Greater Hat of Disguise (12000gp). Any new item using Reduce Person (continuous) should be compared to that magic item and priced accordingly.
Alter Self: +2size bonus to dexterity for small.
Reduce Person: +2 size bonus to dexterity, -2 strength.
The only difference is the strength penalty. For that I would reduce the price by about 25%.
Thus CRobledo:
For a continuous Reduce person magic item I would price it at 9,000gp (as per Greater Hat of Disguise-25%).
For a 1/day 1hour I would price it at 6,300gp (as per Robe of Blending-25%).
- Gauss
KBrewer:
The item he is seeking is already made: The Greater Hat of Disguise (12000gp). Any new item using Reduce Person (continuous) should be compared to that magic item and priced accordingly.Alter Self: +2size bonus to dexterity for small.
Reduce Person: +2 size bonus to dexterity, -2 strength.The only difference is the strength penalty. For that I would reduce the price by about 25%.
Thus CRobledo:
For a continuous Reduce person magic item I would price it at 9,000gp (as per Greater Hat of Disguise-25%).
For a 1/day 1hour I would price it at 6,300gp (as per Robe of Blending-25%).- Gauss
The greater Hat of Disguise does a lot more than just size changing, though. That's basically an item of size change + darkvision + natural attacks + alternate movement modes + appearance changing + other senses...
Hmmm good point DrowVampyre. Regarding the alternate movement modes: only swimming (no flying, climbing etc is listed for Alter Self). Perhaps maybe 7500 instead for reduce person.
- Gauss
Hmmm good point DrowVampyre. Regarding the alternate movement modes: only swimming (no flying, climbing etc is listed for Alter Self). Perhaps maybe 7500 instead for reduce person.
- Gauss
True, but still. Actually, if you do the math on them with regard to the estimate table, you get...
Greater Hat of Disguise: Continuous item of Alter Self
2 (spell level) x 3 (caster level) x 2,000 = 12,000 x 2 (1 min/lvl spell) = 24,000. Which is twice what it actually costs.
Item of Continuous Reduce Person
1 (spell level) x 1 (caster level) x 2,000 = 2,000 x 2 (1 min/lvl spell) = 4,000. So...the table says 4k, as noted above, while the Greater Hat of Disguise uses half its table-suggested price and has a lot more versatility (darkvision alone via Goggles of Night is 12k, for reference).
I think the 4k is plenty, personally...it's up to your GM though, CRobledo. More than the permanencied spell, and takes up a slot, but less susceptible to dispelling.
Hmmm good point on the greater hat of disguise. I wonder if the writers/editors of that module just made an error. Frankly, I am leery of magic items in modules because they do not seem to go through the same quality assurances that the hardbacks do (namely, they dont ever undergo revision like hardbacks).
- Gauss
Hmmm good point on the greater hat of disguise. I wonder if the writers/editors of that module just made an error. Frankly, I am leery of magic items in modules because they do not seem to go through the same quality assurances that the hardbacks do (namely, they dont ever undergo revision like hardbacks).
- Gauss
Possibly, but I think it's pretty fairly priced. Goggles of Night are very overpriced in my opinion, but not everyone feels the same way.
Besides, there's wackiness in the hardbacks too (cestus, anyone? <_<). ^_-
Wouldn't enlarge person cast on a permanently reduced person dispell the reduce person? My current pc is permanently reduced, so I'm curious.