well i feel stupid as i write this the question but here i go anyway:
can one of the subtypes for a humanoid race be a not humanoid race?
got a player who love the idea of playing a half-dragon half-human so i'm looking into making a race for it since the template in the bestiary is way to powerful, but i want him to have the drawbacks of the dragon subtype (dragon bane weapon and paladin oaths I'm looking at you!)
thanks
The RAW is what the RAW is.. you have to follow what it says if you are going to go by the rules.
However;
"I have a player" seems to indicate that you are the DM- and as DM you can pretty much alter the rule to be whatever you want it to be. If you want to allow them to be some other subtype then by all means, go for it.
the Rules Gestapo isn't going to come storming your house and taking away your dice. :)
-S
Ogre Mages are outsiders with the giant subtype. This sets a precedent that non-humanoids can have humanoid subtypes.
By the way, you may have to wait 4 days before you get a number of responses to ARG questions.
Quick answer, yes.
The Race Builder Chapter does have an option for building races with the dragon subtype; it is immensely expensive, the dragon subtype alone costs more than the entire core human.
If you're going to build a dragon race, its much more likely that you'll be able to build it to be roughly equatable to the aasimar or drow, which will still give you a couple of points leftover to play with on racial class features. But you will be MUCH less powerful than giving a human the half-dragon template; that's for sure.
Dragon subtype? Does that exist?
Rather than an outright dragon subtype you could just use the name of the human/dragon race. i.e. if the race were called "Example"
Humanoid (example)
...And then add whatever dragon weaknesses you want onto that. Make up a unique weakness perhaps (such as vulnerability to both human bane and dragon bane) and then figure out how much extra RP that's worth as a drawback.
Where can I find this dragon subtype?
Alexander Augunas wrote: Quick answer, yes.
The Race Builder Chapter does have an option for building races with the dragon subtype; it is immensely expensive, the dragon subtype alone costs more than the entire core human.
If you're going to build a dragon race, its much more likely that you'll be able to build it to be roughly equatable to the aasimar or drow, which will still give you a couple of points leftover to play with on racial class features. But you will be MUCH less powerful than giving a human the half-dragon template; that's for sure.
actualy it's not a subtype your speaking about but a type.
Selgard wrote: The RAW is what the RAW is.. you have to follow what it says if you are going to go by the rules.
However;
"I have a player" seems to indicate that you are the DM- and as DM you can pretty much alter the rule to be whatever you want it to be. If you want to allow them to be some other subtype then by all means, go for it.
the Rules Gestapo isn't going to come storming your house and taking away your dice. :)
-S
and as for you *sigh* i dunno how to put it in a better way than this: "The RAW is what the RAW is.." is good and all but i don't seem to remember saying that what i'm asking about is in contraction with RAW ... as the RAW don't say anything on the matter which is why i asked, to either get an official anwser or a good deal of people telling me to either stick to the reptilian subtype or go for it
By RAW it should be no, but without added subtypes Half-Celestial/Dragon/Fiend are half something else in name only, so fluffwise, it might make sense.
Gluttony wrote: Rather than an outright dragon subtype you could just use the name of the human/dragon race. i.e. if the race were called "Example"
Humanoid (example)
...And then add whatever dragon weaknesses you want onto that. Make up a unique weakness perhaps (such as vulnerability to both human bane and dragon bane) and then figure out how much extra RP that's worth as a drawback.
my initial thought was something like the race type to be humanoid(human, dragon)
(which make the vulnerability to both human bane and dragon bane)
i went in doubt when i remembered that kobolts where humanoid(reptilian)
edit:
so that people that don't have the book yet may participate here's the humanoid type text:
Quote: Humanoid races have few or no supernatural or spelllike
abilities, but most can speak and have well-developed
societies. Humanoids are usually Small or Medium, unless
they have the giant subtype, in which case they are Large.
Every humanoid creature also has a subtype to match its race,
such as human, giant, goblinoid, reptilian, or tengu. If you
are making a new humanoid race, you should either find an
existing subtype to match or make a new one by using the
name of the race as the subtype. If you are making a halfbreed
race, it should have the racial type of both parent
races. For example, a half-elf has both the human and the elf
subtypes. Subtypes are often important to qualify for other
racial abilities and feats. If a humanoid has a racial subtype,
it is considered a member of that race in the case of race
prerequisites. A humanoid race has the following features.
• Humanoids breathe, eat, and sleep.
A dragon(human) is doable.
blackbloodtroll wrote: A dragon(human) is doable. ah an other one that i forgot to ask about in the initial post, they speak of subtypes for the humanoid and outsider(native) types but i dunno if others can have some too
kagenotora wrote: blackbloodtroll wrote: A dragon(human) is doable. ah an other one that i forgot to ask about in the initial post, they speak of subtypes for the humanoid and outsider(native) types but i dunno if others can have some too Undeads can (a human ghost is Medium Undead (Augmented Humanoid, Incorporal)).
and pretty much anything can end up with Extraplanar.
As stated earlier, there are already examples of non-humanoids with certain humanoid subtypes.
Belle Mythix wrote: kagenotora wrote: blackbloodtroll wrote: A dragon(human) is doable. ah an other one that i forgot to ask about in the initial post, they speak of subtypes for the humanoid and outsider(native) types but i dunno if others can have some too Undeads can (a human ghost is Medium Undead (Augmented Humanoid, Incorporal)).
and pretty much anything can end up with Extraplanar. isn't the said ghost the result of adding a template to an existing race?
and for Extraplanar well it's not a true subtype as it is a circumstantial one that come and go a you travel from plane to plane ^^
kagenotora wrote: Belle Mythix wrote: kagenotora wrote: blackbloodtroll wrote: A dragon(human) is doable. ah an other one that i forgot to ask about in the initial post, they speak of subtypes for the humanoid and outsider(native) types but i dunno if others can have some too Undeads can (a human ghost is Medium Undead (Augmented Humanoid, Incorporal)).
and pretty much anything can end up with Extraplanar. isn't the said ghost the result of adding a template to an existing race?
Yes, and so is (supposedly) Half-Dragon.
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