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Ok, don't laugh. You must discuss.
So, what if my incredibly high level Wizard somehow makes it to the top of Heaven's peaks and into that little garden at the summit...let's assume all guardians and puzzles have either been defeated or otherwise disabled...
And I decide to take out my copy of the Pnakotic Manuscripts (or whatever warped tome), and the strange meta-magic'd staff of Planar Binding, or Gate, or similar gadget, and recite the crafted spell to SUMMON/BIND Azathoth (at the very least, let's say that spell existed outside of Call of Cthulhu d20) and I roll a natural 20.
What happens?
I must know. Bua ha ha. Do I win Pathfinder?
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I can see this rapidly turning into a cosmic slapfight of 'My eldritch being is bigger than yours!', 'Nuh uh, mine's bigger!', 'I said mine was bigger first!', ad nauseum.
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Depends on how the cosmology works in the GM's game.
Example: No such thing as Azathoth. Continued attempts at breaking the cosmos draw the attention of the Lady of Pain. Repeated offences result in Her using lethal force. Further offences result in Her using retroactive cosmologoical paradigm shifts. Further offences result in drawing the attention of Ouroboros Who Is Eternal Who Is Infinite Who Is All Who Is Ouroboros Who Is Eternal Who Is Infinite Who Is All Who Is Ouroboros
See what I mean?
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Do not ever click that spoiler button people.
The knowledge of what his hidden behind that frail curtain will unmake your mind
Last time something like this came up, I said:
"You can't one-up the Lady of Pain. It's the rule."
And the thread deteriorated into childish bickering. Wait, no. It started there.
Brings to mind those threads where players plotted to kill the Lady of Pain. Then again, they justified it with "Vecna almost succeeded in it, so we should be able to as well!", which I think is actually a good point.
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Psh, just because in ancient times the god that was Zon Kothon went to the Lady of Pain's kink party and got dom'd by the Lady and came back a kinkster does not mean you can't one up her.
And it doesn't HAVE to degenerate. I'd like to see some more examples of game-world destroying geek rage. At least marginally trying to follow in-game lore as much as possible... ;)
Brings to mind those threads where players plotted to kill the Lady of Pain. Then again, they justified it with "Vecna almost succeeded in it, so we should be able to as well!", which I think is actually a good point.
I had the impression that Vecna didn't have the slightest chance but had a go anyway.
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The impression I got was mostly that Die Vecna, Die was just bad.
(what was that old quote? "They managed to screw up three whole campaign settings with one adventure!" Perhaps an overstatement, but...)
Also, "Dou-Bral + Lady of Pain encounter = Zon-Kuthon" has been personal canon for a while now. It's too much of a cool tie-in to not use, especially if you remember one possible god born out of the Harbinger House adventure.
I might need to go back and check it a second time then.
teh lady of pain sounds like a cool guy, seh protects settings and doesn't afraid of anything
I should totally make a cleric devoted to Her somed
Actually, Lady of Pain is badass in Sigil. Outside of Sigil She has limited influence. Some even say that in truth She is trapped in Sigil hiding from the gods even more than being the ruler and power behind the Sigil.
That's how it works.
You can't interact with the Lady of Pain unless you go to Sigil. You can't beat the Lady of Pain in Sigil.
Other than that, she leaves people alone to do whatever they want.
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That's how it works.
You can't interact with the Lady of Pain unless you go to Sigil. You can't beat the Lady of Pain in Sigil.
Other than that, she leaves people alone to do whatever they want.
On second thought, let's not go to Sigil. It's a silly place.
*stuff*
What happens?
A challenger appears!
You fail your SAN check, lose 87 points of SAN then proceed to wish yourself out of existence. Azatoth then proceeds to [redacted]. Roll new character for the upcoming "Heaven was WIPED OUT MAN!!" campaign.
You fail your SAN check, lose 87 points of SAN then proceed to wish yourself out of existence. Azatoth then proceeds to [redacted]. Roll new character for the upcoming "Heaven was WIPED OUT MAN!!" campaign.
But this is where Ourobouros comes in, forcing an endless series of SAN checks... You wish yourself out of existence, which means you don't exist to be able to cast the wish, which means you exist, which means you wish yourself out of existence, which means you don't exist to be able to cast the wish, which means you exist, ... ad infinitum. Hrm... maybe this is what really happened to Karsus in FR... either way, there's no creation of new characters, because all of reality has been thrown for a loop by this stitch in causality, and it's "Groundhog Day" all over again... and again... and again... :-D
Edit: Sorry, there's no endless series of SAN checks... that's been attempted and failed, and it's just an endless loop of unmaking and causality-induced un-unmaking that envelops all of reality simply because Azathoth never just messes with ONE mind. What fun would that be? :-)
I think at some point along all the Sam and Dean Winchester will drive up in the Impala. Just Sayin
The last rules for summoning Azathoth I saw were in Arkham Horror. They were pretty simple. While most elder gods had a card full of stats that were insanely hard to beat, Azathoth just had the following:
Absolute Destruction
If Azathoth awakens, the game is over and the investigators lose.
The last rules for summoning Azathoth I saw were in Arkham Horror. They were pretty simple. While most elder gods had a card full of stats that were insanely hard to beat, Azathoth just had the following:
Absolute Destruction
If Azathoth awakens, the game is over and the investigators lose.
Thankfully, Pathfinder is NOT Arkham Horror, neither is it a Cosmic Horror Story, so no such things are needed. Besides, the only deity to fear is the DM. And he's not really worshippable either, so the Lady of Pain and Azathoth are both just really the DM messing with forms.