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1) Light Shield?
yes
2) Buckler?
yes
3) Emei Piercer?
Not sure
4) Madu?
Yes - counts as a light spiked shield
5) Tekko-Kagi?
yes
6) Gauntlet?
yes
7) Scizore?
no
8) Cestus?
yes
9) Brass knuckles?
yes (with a concentration check as listed in the APG rules)
10) Knuckle axe?
no
11) Rope gauntlet?
Not sure
12) Thorn bracer?
yes
13) Klar?
Yes - counts as a light spiked shield
14) Buckler gun?
Not sure
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Weapon Cords - not to sure, the wording is very fuzzy, it doesn't give a penalty to skill checks or spell failure, but it does say:
you can still use a hand with a weapon cord, though a dangling weapon may interfere with finer actions
To just make things easier, i'd just say yes you can, but YGMMV.
Sling Glove - seem to be able to, it mentions that the sling is attached to your wrist
Where do you get that you can use a light shield arm for somatic components?
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Where do you get that you can use a light shield arm for somatic components?
1) A Difference in wording from light shield and heavy shield, a light shield does not have the line "you can't use your shield hand for anything else" that the heavy shield has. Instead is says "you carry other items in that hand, although you cannot use weapons with it." which is also mentioned with some other weapons that you can cast with, brass knuckles come to mind.
2) I've seen the likes of JJ explain that you can cast with a light shield on your arm, still lose the AC (will see if i can find the post soon)
3) Although a weak reason, balance, if you couldn't cast with a light shield why would anyone bother with a choose a light shield over a heavy shield?
It seems it is at least the intention that you can cast with a light shield
Compare light shield and buckler and you'll see it's quite clear that light shield does not allow somatic casting.
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Compare light shield and buckler and you'll see it's quite clear that light shield does not allow somatic casting.
Indeed, but yet here is James Jacobs saying you can
I would believe he is mistaken in that instance.
I believe it may be developer intent that you can cast with a light shield. However, the rules indicate that you can not quite clearly by comparison with the descriptions of other shields.
That the devs play it differently than the rules say doesn't change what the rules say. If they want it to work their way, they can issue an errata.
That's not to say you can't houserule it to play the way the devs do. Personally, I'd be fine with the idea of casting with a light shield. It just so happens that by the book, you can't.
Read bucker rules.
Read light shield rules.
Spot the difference.
Don't you think that's telling?
A buckler is specifically required to state that it allows spellcasting, but the light shield lacks that wording.
This is quickly getting into 'the rules don't say you can't fly by clapping your hands so you can'.
This is quickly getting into 'the rules don't say you can't fly by clapping your hands so you can'.
You can. That's the somatic component for fly.
So, has any developer commented on the ability to cast spells while wearing a light shield?
Yes, Skerek linked to it up above. (JJ1) In addition to that post, there's this clarification later on in that thread:
Switching a held object from one hand to the other doesn't require an action, so the end result is the same whether or not you use the light shield hand to lay on hands or your weapon hand after switching your weapon to the off hand, and then back to your weapon hand.
The fact that allowing you to use your light shield hand to do so without so many fiddly steps is why I'd say it's fine to let it work that way.
If for some reason you don't have a hand to switch to, the above quote suggests two things:
1. If you go strictly by the rules, you cannot perform the sequence of free actions to permit yourself a free hand and therefore cannot cast.
Or:
2. Houserule the silliness of the free action exchange away as casting with light shields being permitted and then you can. James Jacobs is in favour of this house rule.
Somatic (S): A somatic component is a measured and
precise movement of the hand. You must have at least one
hand free to provide a somatic component.
Shield, Light; Wooden or Steel: You strap a shield to
your forearm and grip it with your hand. A light shield’s
weight lets you carry other items in that hand, although
you cannot use weapons with it.
To cast a spell with a somatic (S) component, you must
gesture freely with at least one hand. You can’t cast a spell
of this type while bound, grappling, or with both your
hands full or occupied.
Drawing a weapon so that you can use it in combat, or
putting it away so that you have a free hand, requires a
move action. This action also applies to weapon-like
objects carried in easy reach, such as wands. If your
weapon or weapon-like object is stored in a pack or
otherwise out of easy reach, treat this action as retrieving If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may
draw a weapon as a free action combined with a regular
move.
-- So if you have a BAB of +1, it almost doesn't matter, you can put your weapon away and cast a spell with your shield on and effective.
Somatic (S): A somatic component is a measured and
precise movement of the hand. You must have at least one
hand free to provide a somatic component.Shield, Light; Wooden or Steel: You strap a shield to
your forearm and grip it with your hand. A light shield’s
weight lets you carry other items in that hand, although
you cannot use weapons with it.To cast a spell with a somatic (S) component, you must
gesture freely with at least one hand. You can’t cast a spell
of this type while bound, grappling, or with both your
hands full or occupied.Drawing a weapon so that you can use it in combat, or
putting it away so that you have a free hand, requires a
move action. This action also applies to weapon-like
objects carried in easy reach, such as wands. If your
weapon or weapon-like object is stored in a pack or
otherwise out of easy reach, treat this action as retrieving If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may
draw a weapon as a free action combined with a regular
move.-- So if you have a BAB of +1, it almost doesn't matter, you can put your weapon away and cast a spell with your shield on and effective.
Yes, but not for that reason. You can with any BAB by switching your weapon to your shield hand as a free action, casting, then switching it back as a free action.
I'm just saying its a lot simpler to put your sword away as a free action and cast a spell. But to be fair the rules say you have to have a free hand and it looks like a light shield gives you a free hand, since it is clearly not "full or occupied" if it can hold something.
I'm just saying its a lot simpler to put your sword away as a free action and cast a spell. But to be fair the rules say you have to have a free hand and it looks like a light shield gives you a free hand, since it is clearly not "full or occupied" if it can hold something.
It doesn't work like that, but if you read above, it presents the opportunity to have a free hand with a bit of shenanigans. It's not actually a free hand in itself. For example, you're hanging off a rope with your right hand and your left has a shield. You can't cast with the shield hand.
The rules simply state that both hands cannot be full or occupied. If I have the opportunity to hold a potion in my hand then my hand must not be occupied, and it certainly cannot be full.
Its semantics, really. There is reasonably justification in the rules to show that a light shield has the capability of letting you cast spells with Somatic requirements based off of the combat section of the core rule book.
However you could also argue that since you must "grip" the shield then you cannot cast a spell. I personally would lean towards letting them cast the spell since the way I read the rules it seems to permit it (being as my hand is unoccupied enough to hold a wand, scroll, or potion).
It's not semantics. It's rules. If you want to ignore that, you may. It's a house rule and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's even one I am in favour of, as is James Jacobs.
That it's a good, widely accepted idea doesn't stop it from being a houserule.
I suppose we will have to disagree, because as I read it the rule indicates you can cast a spell.
I mean I quoted the rulebook above and it indicate that directly.
But I suppose thats that, I don't think you will be changing you mind, and I have shown evidence to support my position so you won't be changing mine either.
The rulebook does not indicate it at all. Read the difference between a buckler and a light shield. Read it again. Keep reading it until you see that only the buckler has the clause permitting spellcasting.
The light shield lets you hold stuff in that hand. It doesn't let you do anything with the stuff you're holding.
RAW: You fail to cast your spell.
The house rule mentioned many times and favoured by James Jacobs: You succeed in casting your spell.
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klar = lighgt shield
I'd go with umbral on that one:
Somatic (S): A somatic component is a measured and precise movement of the hand. You must have at least one hand free to provide a somatic component.
*ONE HAND FREE*
shield = hand NOT FREE
exception to this general rule is buckler where it's explicitely said that you can.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm just saying its a lot simpler to put your sword away as a free action and cast a spell.
You can't put your sword away as a free action.
With BAB+1 you can draw the sword as part of a regular move. It's still a move action to sheathe it.
Even the Quick Draw feat limits you to drawing as a free action, not sheathing.
Nah BBT
I see where your going with this but this is why there is no mechanic for dismemberment, it super sucks by RAW.
Your one armed man, can cast with a buckler.
He'd suffer Arcane Spell Failure though, unless it's mithral or maybe darkwood.
Light shields are gripped in the hand, so the hand isn't free for spellcasting. But it can hold stuff, just not manipulate stuff.
As for the others most are no.
The Brass Knuckles get an exception(which I didn't know).
The Klar is right out.
The art for the Klar makes it look like a really big punching dagger with a shield mounted to the base. Thus it's actually a gripped shield.
You could use a QuickDraw Shield from the APG.
That let's you stow and retrieve fast and it can be spiked.
I'd let you use a Madu with a weapon tether, just cause they're cool.
They are a fist griped shield.
Combined with Shield Focus and Combat Expertise this could maybe be what you're looking for as well.