Hello,
One of my players want to play an half-orc melee alchemist with 4 arms (taking the vestigial arms discovery twice) who fight with two heavy flails.
He is currently 4th level (BAB +3) and with an unbuffed strenght of 18 (+4 modifier), his feats are weapon focus (heavy flails) and power attack, so his attack bonus with a single weapon is:
+8 (+3 BAB, +4 str, +1 weapon focus) with a damage of 1d10+6 usually;
+7 (+3 BAB, +4 str, +1 weapon focus, -1 power attack) with a damage of 1d10+9 using power attack.
The problem is when he uses both his flais: they aren't a light weapon, so he get a -4/-4 for two weapon fighting, netting a to hit bonus of +4/+4 usually and +2/+2 with power attack, but i can't get the damage bonus: he say that since those are two handed weapon he get a +6 for strenght on both and another +3 for power attack, but i think that those numbers are correct only for the main hand flail, but since he is using the other in the off hand(s) he only apply a +2 for strenght and +1 with power attack.
Total for the player:
+4 (1d10+6) and +4 (1d10+6) normally;
+3 (1d10+9) and +3 (1d10+9) using power attack.
Total for me:
+4 (1d10+6) and +4 (1d10+2) normally;
+3 (1d10+9) and +3 (1d10+3) using power attack.
Sorry for the bad grammar, english isn't my mother tongue.
TL;DR: 4 arm character using 2 two handed weapon get +3/2 strenght and power attack damage with the off-hand weapon?
Well after reading Vestigial Arm it sounds like its possible. The rules on two weapon fighting are clear that strength bonus is halved for the offhand weapon unless you have the feat Double Slice. Power attack is not a strength bonus and thus would not be halved.
Federebus wrote: He is currently 4th level (BAB +3) and with an unbuffed strenght of 18 (+4 modifier), his feats are weapon focus (heavy flails) and power attack This just jumped out at me, he is fighting with two weapons without the Two Weapon Fighting feat. His attacks when TWFing shouldn't be +4/+4, more like +2/-2, +1/-3 when power attacking.
This would work better with sawtooth sabres, as they would count as light weapons when using two-weapon fighting.
Skerek wrote: Federebus wrote: He is currently 4th level (BAB +3) and with an unbuffed strenght of 18 (+4 modifier), his feats are weapon focus (heavy flails) and power attack This just jumped out at me, he is fighting with two weapons without the Two Weapon Fighting feat. His attacks when TWFing shouldn't be +4/+4, more like +2/-2, +1/-3 when power attacking. Tank you for the catch, he started thinking this as a human with two weapon fighting as the bonus feat, then switched to half orc (probably for the proficiency)
blackbloodtroll wrote: This would work better with sawtooth sabres, as they would count as light weapons when using two-weapon fighting. he decided to fight with two two handed weapon, i will tell him of the sawtooth sabres but i think he will not use them
Ravenovf wrote: Well after reading Vestigial Arm it sounds like its possible. The rules on two weapon fighting are clear that strength bonus is halved for the offhand weapon unless you have the feat Double Slice. Power attack is not a strength bonus and thus would not be halved. So the total attack bonus (with two weapon fighting) woul be:
+4 (1d10+6) and +4 (1d10+2) normally;
+3 (1d10+9) and +3 (1d10+5) using power attack.
Sawtooth sabres are one-handed weapons, which means they can be wielded with two hands. In this case, a better option, as you would get the bonus from wielding a two handed weapon, but only suffer the penalties of light weapons.
Ravenovf wrote: Well after reading Vestigial Arm it sounds like its possible. The rules on two weapon fighting are clear that strength bonus is halved for the offhand weapon unless you have the feat Double Slice. Power attack is not a strength bonus and thus would not be halved. While it's true it's not a strength bonus, Power attack is halved for the off hand as per the feat.
PRD Power Attack
Quote: This bonus to damage is halved (–50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon.
SRD wrote: This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls Wouldn't that counteract the penalty from the off-hand and make it a wash?
This build just made Sawtooth Sabres the shiznit in my book.
This sawtooth sabre, does it work like it sounds? Can it stab AND saw? A player of mine is interested in a weapon that's like that, can someone link me to the its page?
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