How does Shaping Focus work if Druid level less than 4?


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So clearly to take Shaping Focus you have to be level 5 at a minimum (since Knowledge Nature has to have 5 ranks) but what if you have 4 levels in, say, Monk and 1 level in Druid.

A few questions:

1. Are you considered as having the Wild Shape class feature if you haven't yet reached 4th level as a druid? (i.e. do you have class features even if you don't yet qualify for them w/o this type of "add your non-class levels..." feat?

2. Assuming that you do, does taking Shaping Focus then mean that though my druid level is only 1 (if I'm Monk 4/Druid 1) that with this feat I would gain Wild Shape as if I were a 5th level Druid... i.e. 1 wild shape/day, for up to 5 hours as Beast Shape I

3. What then happens when I gain another level and take it as Druid - i.e. so my effective druid level for wild shape is now 6th - does this mean I gain both a second wild shape use per day as well as the 6th level shape option increases?

Clearly if I wait until I have 5 levels of Druid (and 4 levels of say Monk) then taking Shaping Focus as my 9th level feat makes sense - but it sure seems like the RAI was to be able to take this feat earlier than as a 4th level Druid (with the cost of devoting likely scarce Skill Points to Knowledge Nature and spending a full feat) - the tradeoff of getting Wild Shape a bit sooner as a multiclass character seems pretty fair.

[further bonus question what Monk abilities work in wild shape form? WIS bonus to AC? Improved Unarmed Strike damage? (perhaps depending on the form taken?) Bonus base movement speed? Slow Fall?]


Rycaut wrote:

So clearly to take Shaping Focus you have to be level 5 at a minimum (since Knowledge Nature has to have 5 ranks) but what if you have 4 levels in, say, Monk and 1 level in Druid.

A few questions:

1. Are you considered as having the Wild Shape class feature if you haven't yet reached 4th level as a druid? (i.e. do you have class features even if you don't yet qualify for them w/o this type of "add your non-class levels..." feat?

No. Until you hit the level where you get the class feature you do not have the class feature.

3. What then happens when I gain another level and take it as Druid - i.e. so my effective druid level for wild shape is now 6th - does this mean I gain both a second wild shape use per day as well as the 6th level shape option increases?

The feat moves with you, its not a one time static bonus. So a level 6 druid level 1 fighter taking the feat at 7th level functions as a 7th level druid for determining shapeshifting. If he levels to a level 6 druid level 2 fighter he's an 8th level druid for wildshaping, if he levels to a druid 6 fighter 3 he's 9th level etc.

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[further bonus question what Monk abilities work in wild shape form? WIS bonus to AC? Improved Unarmed Strike damage? (perhaps depending on the form taken?) Bonus base movement speed? Slow Fall?]

They all work, since they're not derived from your shape they're derived from your class. Your t rex druid can tail quan do people into submission if they want.

While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function.


You do not have the class feature until you have the class feature.

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