Flanking and Attacks of Opportunities


Rules Questions


Hello, I have a few questions about AOO´s and the order and number that they can occur. Here is a scenario that describes the question. Please let me know if you have any ideas.

Party has the Outflank teamwork feat, thanks to a Holy Tactician, which allows a flanking ally an AOO if another crits. Now the flanked foe provokes an AOO from both flankers due to movement, and the first flanker crits on his AOO. Does the other flanker get two AOO’s (assuming he has combat reflexes) –one for the movement and one for the crit? And, let’s say this flanker with the two AOO’s lined up is a rogue with the opportunist rogue ability, which allows him one AOO per round if an ally hits an adjacent foe. That could possibly be a third AOO for him since the flanker’s crit is a hit. And also, how do you determine who gets to attack first when the foe provokes from both due to movement? Is it just highest initiative or Dex? Can the two flankers strategically decide between themselves? In the above scenario, if the Rogue took his AOO first, then the flanker buddy hits with a crit on his AOO for the same provoking action, then the Rogue gets an AOO from the allies crit (due to the Outflank teamwork feat), plus one from his opportunist ability.

Thanks


You have opened a can of worms, and you will not get a consensus on this out of this messageboard. You will get a bunch of people screaming at each other. Here is my take, however -

The movement provokes its own AoO. The crit provokes another AoO. The opportunist ability would not grant another AoO on top of the one from the crit, because that rogue is already getting one from the same action (the opponent getting hit).

Order is determined by initiative order. If the rogue rolled a higher initiative at the beginning of combat, he goes first, if the Holy Tactician rolled higher, he goes first.

In short, one AoO for the Holy Tactician, two AoOs for the rogue, not three.

Now get ready for 200 posts explaining exactly why I am wrong and mean and trying to destroy their lives.


Can you not be right and still remain mean and trying to destroy our lives? =)

Mabven's right about the can of worms though, this is a long standing issue about whether or not a single action provokes one or multiple AoO's, of which there is a large and at times heated debate. Searchs for Greater Trip plus Vicious Stomp or casting a ranged touch attack non-defensively to see most people's take on it.

The best thing to do is either discuss it with your DM, or if it's you come to a conclusion and then inform your players how you'll be handling it.

My 2cp is one action one provoke.

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