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While playing around with some ideas for a paladin I came across the following written in the FAQ section of Pathfinder Society.
As a paladin, your divine bond mount must be at least one size category larger than you starting at 1st level. If you’re a Medium PC, your mount must be Large. If you’re a Small PC, your mount must be at least Medium. You may only select a mount from the listed mounts on page 63 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook unless another source grants access to additional creature choices. As a cavalier, you may select a mount from those listed on page 33 of the Advanced Player's Guide. No additional mounts are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play except when granted from another legal source.
The way this is written makes me think that even some of the creatures specifically listed on page 63 are ineligible. For example, both a dog and boar start off as small creatures at level 1 and by the first line, that makes them ineligible to all core races.
Having looked around a little I get the feeling this might not have been what was intended.
The thread PALADIN MOUNT OPTIONS brought up a discussion some time back about Paladins and their mounts. A bit into the thread you come across a post from Joshua J. Frost stating that a paladin should make their choice based off a druid companion having already advanced to level 5 as this is the point in time where the Paladin gains access to a mount.
While I'm not trying to step on any toes, it is possible this problem perhaps just got overlooked?
Finally, I was wondering if there was anything else people were finding a little unclear in the FAQ.
None the less, I thank you all for all of your hard work and making this game such a blast to play.
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While I understand the need for clarity, this one seems pretty clear to me. Rules for mounts indicate that one cannot use a creature of the same size or smaller as a mount.
Imhavinga little trouble figuring out why you would want to ride a small dog (schnauzers, toy poodles, and Pomeranians) or a piglet. :) Though I am obviously readings little bit, I am having s little trouble understanding the situation that could come up that would make this need clarifying. Where's the trouble for your character?
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I could be wrong about this, but my understanding of the way that animal companions/ mounts worked was that when comparing your level to the druid level it is intended to be Ranger lvl 4= Druid level 1, or Paladin level 5 = Druid level 1 in this case.
For this situation, what I mean is that, yes, a Druid could take a small dog, and when the Druid becomes level 5, the small dog will become medium.
The Paladin, despite being 5th level, has a Mount equivalent to a 1st level Druid. Meaning when the Paladin hits level 9, the small dog would become medium.
But like I said, I could be wrong about that. That's just how I interpret it to work.
Also, you could just take a medium dog, and when it tries to grow to large, you take the Dex and Con boost, or whatever it gets when you keep it from growing.
I could be wrong about this, but my understanding of the way that animal companions/ mounts worked was that when comparing your level to the druid level it is intended to be Ranger lvl 4= Druid level 1, or Paladin level 5 = Druid level 1 in this case.
When in doubt, look it up.
"This mount functions as a druid's animal companion, using the paladin's level as her effective druid level."
You're right about the ranger, though; her effective druid level is her ranger level - 3.
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I could be wrong about this, but my understanding of the way that animal companions/ mounts worked was that when comparing your level to the druid level it is intended to be Ranger lvl 4= Druid level 1, or Paladin level 5 = Druid level 1 in this case.When in doubt, look it up.
"This mount functions as a druid's animal companion, using the paladin's level as her effective druid level."
You're right about the ranger, though; her effective druid level is her ranger level - 3.
My bad. I was thinking the Paladin had the level -3 thing going too.
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I believe his problem is the fact that a halfling Paladin should logically be able to choose the dog or boar for an animal companion. The dog animal companion, to be honest, is what I would consider the "normal" animal companion for a paladin or mounted halfling or gnome.
Reading the FAQ completely literally though, does imply that the dog and boar are not options for animal companions at all for a Paladin, which I believe is not intended.
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I believe his problem is the fact that a halfling Paladin should logically be able to choose the dog or boar for an animal companion. The dog animal companion, to be honest, is what I would consider the "normal" animal companion for a paladin or mounted halfling or gnome.
Reading the FAQ completely literally though, does imply that the dog and boar are not options for animal companions at all for a Paladin, which I believe is not intended.
Since a Paladin gets their mount at 5th level, and they are considered a druid level for the power of their mount, then at 5th level paladin, their mount would have reached the 4th level size increase.
Therefore, they could take the dog or boar.
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Since a Paladin gets their mount at 5th level, and they are considered a druid level for the power of their mount, then at 5th level paladin, their mount would have reached the 4th level size increase.
Therefore, they could take the dog or boar.
By logic and Pathfinder RPG rules, you are 100% correct.
The FAQ says otherwise though and could use a slight tweak.
As a paladin, your divine bond mount must be at least one size category larger than you starting at 1st level.
Dogs and Boars are small at 1st level.
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Since a Paladin gets their mount at 5th level, and they are considered a druid level for the power of their mount, then at 5th level paladin, their mount would have reached the 4th level size increase.
Therefore, they could take the dog or boar.
By logic and Pathfinder RPG rules, you are 100% correct.
The FAQ says otherwise though and could use a slight tweak.
As a paladin, your divine bond mount must be at least one size category larger than you starting at 1st level.Dogs and Boars are small at 1st level.
That's not the intention. We'll get that cleaned up (likely when Mike is back in the office from KublaCon and Origins).
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Darn you Mark and your Ninja edit ;-p
well ... then do the PFS Scenarios not follow their own Rules ?
the Request for clarification Makes perfect sense to me
there is a Scenario (season 3 and relatively recent) where a cavalier was riding one of those other "Special documentation mounts" (that you could actually gain access to) the Mount is at a base line Medium ... the Creature Riding it was Medium
Not gonna rehash the rules ... but IMHO this could use a LOT of tweaking especially since Paladins don't gain their Mount Until 5th level (after the size advance of most creatures
and PFS Scenarios should follow their own rules ... I SHOULD now have to tell one of my players that he cant use the Boon because the thing wasnt large to start with
but I think my recommendation will be to have him quote the Scenario in question to a GM giving him crap about this by saying "Then how can a X Ride this since they both start at Medium"
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That's not the intention. We'll get that cleaned up (likely when Mike is back in the office from KublaCon and Origins).Since a Paladin gets their mount at 5th level, and they are considered a druid level for the power of their mount, then at 5th level paladin, their mount would have reached the 4th level size increase.
Therefore, they could take the dog or boar.
By logic and Pathfinder RPG rules, you are 100% correct.
The FAQ says otherwise though and could use a slight tweak.
As a paladin, your divine bond mount must be at least one size category larger than you starting at 1st level.Dogs and Boars are small at 1st level.
Thanks Kyle for helping me get my point across.
And thank you as well Mark. I noticed the discrepancy and thought I would bring it to attention so that it might be changed to keep misunderstandings from happening.