| Menelmacar |
Hey Guys,
so we are starting a new campaign and one of my players wants to play a Dual Cursed Oracle. The Curses of choice are Haunted and Tongues, whereas Tongues is the one not evolving.
First of all, how does the Tongues Spell interact with the Tongues Curse? Does the Curse override the Spell or vice versa?
On the same line (just out of curiosity, because that's what triggered the question): Imagine the Oracle going into the Eldritch Heritage Feat-Tree and taking the Maestro Bloodline. The 9th Level Bloodline Ability says:
"Perfect Voice (Su): At 9th level, you understand all efforts to communicate through sound, and can make yourself understood to any creature able to understand language. You can speak to, and understand the speech of, any creature that understands at least one spoken language. "
Same question as above.. does the Bloodline Ability essentially break the Curse? This would negate all the downsides of being a Dual Cursed Oracle (in this particular scenario), the prize 'only' being 3 Feats, 2 of which are neigh useless (Skill Focus: Perform... naaah and the first Level Bloodline Ability is only really useful for that specific Oracle after Level 11 (because there are only a few monsters actually speaking Aklo, and the Bloodline Ability being language dependant)).
I'm actually more interested in the interaction with the Tongues Spell, because that's a probable scenario with 3 casters in the group capable of casting that spell.
Thanks a lot
| VRMH |
Tongues wouldn't do anything useful when cast on the Oracle. "This spell grants the creature touched the ability to speak and understand the language of any intelligent creature" - but the Oracle already had the ability to speak a language that the other PCs understand (at least, I would hope so). She's just cursed not to do so.
When cast on the other PCs, it would allow them to understand the Oracle. A skillpoint in Linguistics might be cheaper and simpler though.
| Feralos |
On the same line (just out of curiosity, because that's what triggered the question): Imagine the Oracle going into the Eldritch Heritage Feat-Tree and taking the Maestro Bloodline. The 9th Level Bloodline Ability says:
"Perfect Voice (Su): At 9th level, you understand all efforts to communicate through sound, and can make yourself understood to any creature able to understand language. You can speak to, and understand the speech of, any creature that understands at least one spoken language. "
Same question as above.. does the Bloodline Ability essentially break the Curse? This would negate all the downsides of being a Dual Cursed Oracle (in this particular scenario), the prize 'only' being 3 Feats, 2 of which are neigh useless (Skill Focus: Perform... naaah and the first Level Bloodline Ability is only really useful for that specific Oracle after Level 11 (because there are only a few monsters actually speaking Aklo, and the Bloodline Ability being language dependant)).I'm also curious about this part. Ive looked around a little bit and cant find a definitive answer, which seems surprising since a Bard dipping into Oracle of Nature for an AC boost and taking the Eldritch Heritage for Perfect Voice seems pretty gnarly. Too gnarly, to be honest, which is the only reason Id look to the Google for it.
Generally speaking, a curse cant (or shouldn't) be mitigated completely out without deific intervention, but I could easily see (or justify, if you prefer) an oracle that speaks in tongues to outside observers but the recipient of the language dependent spell understanding her words as though spoken from somewhere within their own soul (because of her Morgan Freeman-esque butter-melting voice). The idea of the ability is to transcend language I think, like Hayden's "my language is music" philosophy. However, strictly by wording, the curse would override Perfect Voice simply because the upper tier abilities of the curse pretty much duplicate the effects of Perfect Voice, but still restrict during combat. The only credible caveat being the aforementioned transcendent musical communication jive. Not to mention mitigating the Lame curse requires nothing more than 1 to 2 feats (depending on size) and wearing light armor, so mitigation must have been anticipated and would have logically been explicitly regulated.
Still, were I to houserule, Id say it would work. Id be curious to hear someones more authoritative 2 cents though.