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So..........one of the players in my campaign just died, and the evil member of the group took his corpse for safe keeping for a few days because the group trusted him with it until they could resurrect it. He knew the spell gentle repose.

Well one Frankenstein's monster night later and I am not sure what to do. The body was given the arms of a minotaur, the tail of a lizard, gills, legs and feet of a merfolk. If they bring this thing back to life with a resurrect spell......I am tempted to just have it start screaming until it dies.

Assuming that I allow this "creature" to do more than scream until he dies, I have no idea what stats to give him as he is certainly not just an elf anymore.

Any thoughts?


What spell are they trying to use resurrect, raise dead, or true resurrection?


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Well, per the rules... the spell Raise Dead wouldn't work, because the body is no longer whole (a requirement).

Realistically, these new "sewn on" parts are still just damage to the original form, so I would think that Resurrect, which effectively creates a new, whole, body from the surviving part(s) -- would make new elf-parts to replace the mutilated bits, resulting in a brand new healthy elven body -- and a frustrated evil party member.

Less fun, but that's more or less how it works RAW. Sewing things together like that is building a Flesh Golem.


Resurrection only requires part of the body to recreate the whole body, so what he did with the body would not effect resurrection, the character would come back as they were and the extra parts would just be discarded.

Raise dead requires the body be whole. Hence as it is not whole (bits removed), the spell would fail completely.

Reincarnation also recreates a new body, so the state of the body would have no effect on the outcome of the spell.


So......if Reincarnation was used how many of the random bits would be brought back to life? Or is that simply the caster's choice.


3.5 had Graft Flesh, a feat for people with the PF-equivalent of 7 ranks in the Heal skill. It allowed you to graft body parts onto a subject, and was in many was similar to magic item creation. Grafting zombie arms onto the creature (replacing their normal arms) increases strength by +2. You could give people bodak eyes, morgue tongues, skeleton claws, vampire fangs, and more. They let the grafted creature do some things similar to the original creature.

I'd consider coming up with benefits and setting their value based on magic items. Maybe double the price of magic items, since they're kind of slotless (I say kind of, 'cause most replace a body part). For example, if your elf was given minotaur horns, you might give him a gore attack based on his size.

As for just raising him, Tilnar and Dabbler are correct. Raising would either not work, or would just give him a new body. One might be able to animate some strange things with animate dead though.


Mogart wrote:
So......if Reincarnation was used how many of the random bits would be brought back to life?

None.


Mogart wrote:
So......if Reincarnation was used how many of the random bits would be brought back to life? Or is that simply the caster's choice.

none of the random bits are brought back to life.

The original creature is reformed in a new body.

From what I read in the spell your evil character's Frankenstein would still be intact too.


Ahorsewithnoname wrote:
Mogart wrote:
So......if Reincarnation was used how many of the random bits would be brought back to life? Or is that simply the caster's choice.

none of the random bits are brought back to life.

The original creature is reformed in a new body.

From what I read in the spell your evil character's Frankenstein would still be intact too.

Yep, the spell recalls the soul and forms a new body for it. The bit of body you used is just a link to the soul. Then he can get irate about the disrespectful treatment of his corpse.

The Exchange

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Animate dead? Lol


I guess it depends on what he targets with the reincarnation. Whatever chunk he targetted would be the one that was reincarnated into the new body. So if they touched the minotaur arm, you'd get the reincarnated minotaur, instead of your party member. Assuming they actually touched the party member though, it'd be them, the dead bits are still dead bits.

The Exchange

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Create a flesh golem?

Grand Lodge

The salve of second chance is a better way to reincarnate a character. It gives you a bit more control.

Silver Crusade

The only thing I know is that is totally hilarious. Harsh for the player in question but it has at least cheered up my black jaded heart :).

Kudos.

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