Does Feat: Noble Scion (Thrune) allow you to then take Feat: Improved Familiar?


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Quick question - does Feat: Noble Scion (Thrune) allow a player to then take Feat: Improved Familiar? (relevant text below)

Thanks for any help!

Noble Scion (Local)

You are a member of a proud Chelaxian noble family.

Prerequisites: Cheliax affinity, member of Chelish noble house.

Benefit: You gain benefits based on the noble house to which you belong.

Thrune: You gain Infernal as a bonus language. In addition, at 9th level you may bind to yourself an imp servitor in a ritual that takes 7 days. Your imp servitor grants and possesses all the benefits and abilities of a 1st-level wizard’s familiar.

Improved Familiar

This feat allows you to acquire a powerful familiar, but only when you could normally acquire a new familiar.

Prerequisites: Ability to acquire a new familiar, compatible alignment, sufficiently high level (see below)

Liberty's Edge

I would say no, because you don't have the ability to gain a NEW familiar, as this imp "familiar" only "grants and possesses all the benefits and abilities of a 1st-level wizard's familiar". Therefore, you don't actually have a familiar to begin with.


Regardless, it's per a 1st level wizard. First level wizards can't take Improved Familiar, due to the level requirement in that feat's prerequisites.


No, because your gaining an 'imp servitor' not a familiar. It clearly says it has the stats and abilities of a 1st level wizards familiar but never says you gaining a familiar.

In fact your binding to it, not it to you. It never says it levels up nor that it becomes your familiar or that it grants you the Familiar class ability.

Grand Lodge

If you have a familiar from eldritch heritage, does the imp replace the familiar, or is in addition? How does this feat interact with the Boon Companion feat?


Well, first, it says "bind to yourself", so it is binding To You, not you to it.

Secondly, the wording states "grants and possesses all the benefits and abilities of a 1st-level wizard’s familiar", and I'd say that a benefit of the familiar is the "ability to acquire a new familiar" (though this sounds kinda rule-lawyering to me one way, and then makes sense another - I'm kinda new to this game system and its quirks).

As for the level requirement, it is separate from your familiar's level or potential level - all that is determined is whether you have X levels of Arcane spellcasting (for the appropriate familiar).

(And Blackbloodtroll - I would assume it would be in addition. As for Boon Companion, it would then calculate the abilities of the imp as a 5th-level (1+4) wizard’s familiar. No worries about it being a higher level than your character level since you receive the imp at 9th level.)


...all the abilities of a 1st level wizard's familiar.

Not, 'advances from the powers of a 1st level wizard's familiar.'

It's a static boon, not one that grows with you.

Further, unless Noble Scion/Thrune grants you caster levels, you don't qualify for the Improved Familiar feat (unless you're already a caster).

Grand Lodge

This is something you can gain in addition to a familiar you already have?


I guess the big question/interpretation is whether or not the Imp Servitor is considered a familiar or not.

I would think that the line "grants and possesses all the benefits and abilities of a 1st-level wizard’s familiar" would imply that it does, only with the limitation that it does not advance in abilities.

(And Blackbloodtroll - I don't see any reason you can't acquire this in addition to a familiar you already have.)

Grand Lodge

Necromancy!
Has this got answered?
Does this count as a familiar for meeting any feat?
Such as:
Evolved Familiar, Boon Companion, Companion Figurine, or Adept Channel.

Grand Lodge

Should I start a new thread, asking the same questions?

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