Inquisitor's Stalwart ability and Poison


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If a level 11+ Inquisitor is affected by a Poison that requires 2 (or more) saves to cure, would a single successful save be enough to get rid of the poisoning?


Stalwart wrote:
If she makes a Fortitude or Will saving throw against an attack that has a reduced effect on a successful save, she instead avoids the effect entirely.

*not the full text

First off, the current rules indicate that Poisons specifically are negated if you succeed on your initial save vs exposure.
Poison blog

To answer your actual question, I'm not 100% sure.
My interpretation would say that the poison's effect is the ability damage(typically) -- the part that's actually reduced by a successful save -- but not the virulence of the poison(the number of saves to cure). So I'd rule that you still have to make the actual number of saves.

It won't surprise me if someone chimes in to disagree though.


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Think of Stalwart as working like Evasion, except for Fort and Will saves. So for instance: the spell Baleful Polymorph.

If I cast BP on you, you first get a Fortitude Save. Under "Saving Throw" it says "fortitude negates." However if you fail your fort save then you have to make a second Will save. If you fail your will save, you loose all of your class abilities, Int and Wis. Under "Saving Throw" it says "Will, partial."

For the Fort save, stalwart does not apply, b/c the Fort save is all or nothing not "reduced effect." However the Will save does qualify b/c succeeding at the will save usually reduced the effect, but with stalwart it completely removes the effect.

The save for Poison does not allow for a "reduced effect" it is to cure, so i would say no, Stalwart does not work with poison.


j b 200 wrote:
The save for Poison does not allow for a "reduced effect" it is to cure, so i would say no, Stalwart does not work with poison.

Well, the thing is, a successful saving throw does reduce the effect.

Let's say the inquisitor is affected by Purple Worm Poison:
Type poison, injury; Save Fortitude DC 24
Frequency 1/round for 6 rounds
Effect 1d3 Str damage; Cure 2 consecutive saves

The effect of the poison is 6d3 Str damage over 6 rounds. Even a single successful save reduces the effect by 1d3 since he won't suffer the damage for that round.

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Blave wrote:
j b 200 wrote:
The save for Poison does not allow for a "reduced effect" it is to cure, so i would say no, Stalwart does not work with poison.

Well, the thing is, a successful saving throw does reduce the effect.

Let's say the inquisitor is affected by Purple Worm Poison:
Type poison, injury; Save Fortitude DC 24
Frequency 1/round for 6 rounds
Effect 1d3 Str damage; Cure 2 consecutive saves

The effect of the poison is 6d3 Str damage over 6 rounds. Even a single successful save reduces the effect by 1d3 since he won't suffer the damage for that round.

When you make the non-initial poison saves, you are not saving for "cure the poison", you're saving against the damage. Since a save negates the damage, your stalwart ability does not apply as there is no partial effect.

A not-quite-perfect analogy would be a figment. If you make a save against the illusion of a wall, you disbelieve it entirely. However, that wall still affects you because you cannot see through it. The "effect" the save is against is belief, not whether or not a wall actually appears to be there.

The Stalwart ability is meant to negate things that list "Fort/Will Partial", not abstract concepts of partial effects.


Yeah, I was assuming you'd found some poison that still did half damage on a successful save...
Each tick of poison is its own "effect".

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