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The second in my series of sunder related questions for the Breaker Barbarian i'm building:
The Breaker archetype gives you bonuses to sundering and using improvised weapons and is clearly designed to take advantage of the "break stuff and then use it" strategy. I like this idea, but I'm unclear on the rules around it.
Can you use a destroyed (not "broken" but *destroyed*) weapon as an improvised weapon?
I'd like to be able to sunder an enemy's weapon, then use it as an improvised weapon for bonuses and basassery, but I don't know if this is a) legal, or b) at all a viable strategy. I'm not talking optimization here, just decently viable strategy. If someone could clear up both of those issues for me, that'd be great.
(and yes, I will be taking the appropriate "improvised weapon mastery"-type feats, traits, etc.)
You can use anything as an improvised weapon, but it may not be as effective as you want. The hit-end of a destroyed bastard sword probably won't be much better than a knife, and it won't have any of the magical or masterwork properties it may have had while whole. A destroyed blowgun probably wouldn't do any damage at all (maybe 1d2 or just 1? I'm making this up), but with Strength modifier it's something (stab them in the eye, I guess). A shattered obsidian blade might even hurt you if you're only able to reach a shard instead of the hiltpiece. You're in Rule 0 territory.
It's legal, but it will probably still carry the negatives of the Broken Condition (minuses to attack an damage) and probably go down a few size categories for Damage.
This is certainly a situational ... situation that you'd have to work out with your GM.
Using a destroyed longsword for example might only function as a light hammer or dagger or something like that when you use it as an improvised weapon.
It's legal, but it will probably still carry the negatives of the Broken Condition (minuses to attack an damage) and probably go down a few size categories for Damage.
This is certainly a situational ... situation that you'd have to work out with your GM.
Using a destroyed longsword for example might only function as a light hammer or dagger or something like that when you use it as an improvised weapon.
I don't think a broken weapon would make any better or worse an improvised weapon than a broken bottle or broken chair. That is, it wouldn't take any of the penalties for being broken, anymore than a chair leg would.
So depending on just how the weapon is broken, the GM would find a reasonable equivalent from the weapon list. Like having a longsword treated as a light hammer or dagger or what have you.
Ok, thanks. Yeah, it sounds like I'll just be better off running around with an adamantine weapon to sunder things with. Flavor isn't as good, but flavor won't count for much if I'm not doing any damage.
Talk to your DM about adopting the Monk of the Empty hand weapon proficiencies for your Breaker. If not for the conflicting alignments, I'd say multiclass the two, as I really like the empty hand abilities :)
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Ok, thanks. Yeah, it sounds like I'll just be better off running around with an adamantine weapon to sunder things with. Flavor isn't as good, but flavor won't count for much if I'm not doing any damage.Talk to your DM about adopting the Monk of the Empty hand weapon proficiencies for your Breaker. If not for the conflicting alignments, I'd say multiclass the two, as I really like the empty hand abilities :)
You actually can multi-class the two, as long as you take all your monk levels first and your barbarian levels second. A monk shifting to a non-lawful alignment can't take *new* levels in monk, but retains his/her existing abilities.