2 Claws + Weapon: Possible to get all 3 attacks?

[dunebugg]

Couldn't find anything about the action required to swap a weapon between hands.

I know in my old 3.5 game we considered it a free action (also allowed spellcasters with a 2H weapon to function).

If it IS free action, are you able to attack with your weapon, the opposite claw, swap your weapon to your OH, and attack with your MH claw?

If no: can you attack with your weapon, DROP IT, and then attack with both claws?

Thanks in advance :)

[blackbloodtroll]

You can't use a limb that made a weapon attack, to also make a natural attack. Trust me, I started a thread about this, and got called a munchkin by a developer. You can use boot blades, armor spikes, unarmed strike, or a barbazu beard with your claw attacks, as they use different limbs. Note, when combining weapon attacks with natural attacks, all your natural attacks become secondary.

[Mergy]

Put the claws on your feet and you're golden. However, GMs will hate you instinctively.

[Brogue The Rogue]

dunebugg wrote:

Couldn't find anything about the action required to swap a weapon between hands.

I'm pretty certain it was a free action in third. I can't find it in Pathfinder, however.

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(also allowed spellcasters with a 2H weapon to function).

This is certainly both RAW and allowable. You're not threatening while casting, though, unless that weapon can be used in one hand.

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If it IS free action, are you able to attack with your weapon, the opposite claw, swap your weapon to your OH, and attack with your MH claw?

If no: can you attack with your weapon, DROP IT, and then attack with both claws?

Here's the text that specifically disallows this.

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You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.

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Put the claws on your feet and you're golden.

Wouldn't that make them talons?

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However, GMs will hate you instinctively.

And rightly so.

[blackbloodtroll]

You want opinions? Check out this thread:
http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz4r0x?Claws-and-weapon-drop

[Mergy]

Brogue The Rogue wrote:

Wouldn't that make them talons?

A summoner's eidolon can have the claws evolution on its legs exactly once no matter how many legs it has, so there is precedent for claw attacks from legs.

Come to think of it, lions can do that too, although they are not bipedal.

[Brogue The Rogue]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

You want opinions?

Not really. Those are almost never helpful, and are especially unhelpful in a situation that is as cut and dry as this one. The text is fairly explicit.

[Mergy]

Opinions and knee-jerk reactions are no good in a rules thread. I try to figure out or explain how the rules work, and I do my best to remain unemotional about them.

They're just rules; if you don't like them, houserule them. If you play PFS, just laugh about them with everyone else.

[Brogue The Rogue]

Agreed. When it comes down to it, it's the DM's call no matter what the situation is. Having a thousand different people's opinions on one subject is less than worthless; it's an active hindrance. Cut to the RAW and present the facts so the players' DM can decide how he wants to run it.

Unless of course someone's specifically asking for opinions on how to do something, and that's totally different, but should probably be in another forum. ;-)

[blackbloodtroll]

The above link has developer insight. This subject has been discussed. I hope the comment on knee-jerk reactions was not referring to me. If so, it was never meant to come off that way.

[StreamOfTheSky]

The only way to do it is to grow more arms and hands so that you can use some to swing the weapon and the others to claw with. Synthesist Summoner (who can also do the claw feet, as mergy said) and Alchemist can both do that from a very early level.

[Mergy]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

The above link has developer insight. This subject has been discussed. I hope the comment on knee-jerk reactions was not referring to me. If so, it was never meant to come off that way.

No, it's in general. A lot of people bring their jerk-happy knees to the rules forum. I do it sometimes too. We all just need to keep our freaking knees in line.

[blackbloodtroll]

I notice sometimes that the posts do not relay a particular emotion behind them, as text is poor for this. I try to give others the benefit of the doubt.