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Freehold DM wrote:Actually, I'm wearing shorts.Kalindlara wrote:great. Now I can't help but picture skeletons wearing khakis and t shirts that say "TEMP", answering the phones at paizo.thejeff wrote:Again odd. Chris's comment on it mentions removing posts and says "let's steer this thread away from a discussion of "triggers" and debating their validity", which sounds like it should be open, but it's still locked.My guess is temporary lock. Probably for the best with a skeleton crew at Paizo.
I like shorts. They're comfy and easy to wear.

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Diego Valdez wrote:I like shorts. They're comfy and easy to wear.Freehold DM wrote:Actually, I'm wearing shorts.Kalindlara wrote:great. Now I can't help but picture skeletons wearing khakis and t shirts that say "TEMP", answering the phones at paizo.thejeff wrote:Again odd. Chris's comment on it mentions removing posts and says "let's steer this thread away from a discussion of "triggers" and debating their validity", which sounds like it should be open, but it's still locked.My guess is temporary lock. Probably for the best with a skeleton crew at Paizo.
Pokemon?

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Hey, does anyone want to watch me draw trees on the map for my campaign? c:
I on'y have one continent left of trees to do!

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EDIT: On a side note I hate people who say that "homosexuality and transgenderism are too mature subjects for XYZ" so much.
I find it somewhat ironic that a thread devoted to discussing mature ways of representing LGBT+ characters and themes was itself locked for immaturity :/. Not really surprising, although I was learning from it despite the frequent jumping-off-the-rails.
more to the rant part of your post
I read Steel Beach, by John Varley, when I was about 10. Transgenderism is not the major theme of the novel, but it is heavily prevalent and ties into the theme at several points. I like to think I ended up better off for the read (although I would not characterize it as a young adult novel). Don't let the nay-sayers get you down ;)

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Whenever the subject of homosexuality or transgenderism is broached, the sparing human intellects of some instantly assume the most ingratiating posture of surrender imaginable.
I honestly wonder if this sudden and utter loss of rationality is related to "trans panic"
Which is actually a legitimate justification you can give for murdering a trans person in some jurisdictions. Disgusting, but true.

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TheAntiElite wrote:YOU LOVE HOT BLOOD TOO? YOU MEAN I'M NOT ALONE?!?!pH unbalanced wrote:Bob_Loblaw wrote:Since we've now had a successful penile transplant, I wonder if there will be transwomen donating theirs to transmen. I think this opens up a new era in (re)constructive surgery.That wouldn't work, because they use some penile tissue during SRS for the construction of the neovagina. Part of what you are trying to do is preserve as many nerve connections as possible so that you can remain sensate.Appropos of nothing (aside from a story from the Hot Blood series of books), neovagina is now my favorite neologism du jour. It spurs the urge for GURPS and TransHuman Space.
It also moves the needle on certain personal issues for me, that are purely my own problem but don't impact anything other than my own personal conflicts that have been experienced.
SHHH NOT SO LOUD. IT INSPIRES HALF OF MY WRITING.
Also the story in question was Sex Object.

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Whenever the subject of homosexuality or transgenderism is broached, the sparing human intellects of some instantly assume the most ingratiating posture of surrender imaginable.
I honestly wonder if this sudden and utter loss of rationality is related to "trans panic"
Which is actually a legitimate justification you can give for murdering a trans person in some jurisdictions. Disgusting, but true.
Some jurisdictions? I thought my state was the only one to ban the defense.

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:Some jurisdictions? I thought my state was the only one to ban the defense.Whenever the subject of homosexuality or transgenderism is broached, the sparing human intellects of some instantly assume the most ingratiating posture of surrender imaginable.
I honestly wonder if this sudden and utter loss of rationality is related to "trans panic"
Which is actually a legitimate justification you can give for murdering a trans person in some jurisdictions. Disgusting, but true.
Only California has actually passed a law to ban it, as far as I can tell, but it's been ruled inadmissable in other jurisdictions.

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So there's something that's been bugging me, on the topic of trans characters in games. Currently my most accessible way of playing is through PFS, and I'm playing for credit at someone's home with people who are some of the people I most enjoy playing with, whom I met through PFS. I made a vigilante for the play test, and I thought it would be interesting to use the Dual Identity to explore a split gender expression character--something like having a masculine nb social identity and a feminine nb vigilante identity. But I didn't get very far in exploring the idea, because I don't know if I can trust my group to not be terrible about it, even if just out of ignorance. So I just made yet another femme cis woman character because that's as close as I can get to my preferred gender expression in a Pathfinder character right now.

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So there's something that's been bugging me, on the topic of trans characters in games. Currently my most accessible way of playing is through PFS, and I'm playing for credit at someone's home with people who are some of the people I most enjoy playing with, whom I met through PFS. I made a vigilante for the play test, and I thought it would be interesting to use the Dual Identity to explore a split gender expression character--something like having a masculine nb social identity and a feminine nb vigilante identity. But I didn't get very far in exploring the idea, because I don't know if I can trust my group to not be terrible about it, even if just out of ignorance. So I just made yet another femme cis woman character because that's as close as I can get to my preferred gender expression in a Pathfinder character right now.
I have a lot of that in my groups as well, both PFS and private. My condolences. :(

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So there's something that's been bugging me, on the topic of trans characters in games. Currently my most accessible way of playing is through PFS, and I'm playing for credit at someone's home with people who are some of the people I most enjoy playing with, whom I met through PFS. I made a vigilante for the play test, and I thought it would be interesting to use the Dual Identity to explore a split gender expression character--something like having a masculine nb social identity and a feminine nb vigilante identity. But I didn't get very far in exploring the idea, because I don't know if I can trust my group to not be terrible about it, even if just out of ignorance. So I just made yet another femme cis woman character because that's as close as I can get to my preferred gender expression in a Pathfinder character right now.
Crystal and I have been talking about how awesome that would be. I would suggest checking out Cybersix. Also, it is often more palatable for people of unknown providence, to play cis woman who fights crime but pretends to be male by day. 9_9 In the end, noone has to know the real situation but you. If you feel you really need the outlet, a gaming journal might do well to keep the secret life how you want it and inline with the presented life your character lets others believe.

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Hello!
I'd probably be considered 'curious' as the best operative term, though I do have a trans-man character currently in PFS play, as well as several trans-woman characters in various home campaigns.
I've left two gaming groups because they didn't like the idea of individuals playing characters of the opposite gender(and we won't even talk about the disgust leveled at the Girdle of...), and most of my mmo characters have been female.
Apologies if this sounds wishy-washy or odd, it was a very long trip home from Indy.

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Hello!
I'd probably be considered 'curious' as the best operative term, though I do have a trans-man character currently in PFS play, as well as several trans-woman characters in various home campaigns.
I've left two gaming groups because they didn't like the idea of individuals playing characters of the opposite gender(and we won't even talk about the disgust leveled at the Girdle of...), and most of my mmo characters have been female.
Apologies if this sounds wishy-washy or odd, it was a very long trip home from Indy.
Not all groups that don't like guys playing female characters are prejudiced or even thinking about trans issues at all. We had some bad experiences with guys playing female characters for all the wrong reasons back in the day. It took years before we trusted anyone to do it at all well.

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Hello!
I'd probably be considered 'curious' as the best operative term, though I do have a trans-man character currently in PFS play, as well as several trans-woman characters in various home campaigns.
I've left two gaming groups because they didn't like the idea of individuals playing characters of the opposite gender(and we won't even talk about the disgust leveled at the Girdle of...), and most of my mmo characters have been female.
Apologies if this sounds wishy-washy or odd, it was a very long trip home from Indy.
Welcome to the thread!

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mechaPoet wrote:So there's something that's been bugging me, on the topic of trans characters in games. Currently my most accessible way of playing is through PFS, and I'm playing for credit at someone's home with people who are some of the people I most enjoy playing with, whom I met through PFS. I made a vigilante for the play test, and I thought it would be interesting to use the Dual Identity to explore a split gender expression character--something like having a masculine nb social identity and a feminine nb vigilante identity. But I didn't get very far in exploring the idea, because I don't know if I can trust my group to not be terrible about it, even if just out of ignorance. So I just made yet another femme cis woman character because that's as close as I can get to my preferred gender expression in a Pathfinder character right now.Crystal and I have been talking about how awesome that would be. I would suggest checking out Cybersix. Also, it is often more palatable for people of unknown providence, to play cis woman who fights crime but pretends to be male by day. 9_9 In the end, noone has to know the real situation but you. If you feel you really need the outlet, a gaming journal might do well to keep the secret life how you want it and inline with the presented life your character lets others believe.
I'm so glad someone else saw the vigilante dual identity as a way to mess with gender stuff. I'll have to check out Cybersix.
If I really need a more MOGAI friendly game, I think my best bet is to wait for all my friends to get back from their summer occupations. As far as journal stuff goes, I have decided that my character's social identity writes culturally and historically specific etiquette manuals for her Pathfinder Chronicles, while the vigilante records limericks and takes lewd notes about the lust Sections of Thassilonian ruins. (For the vigilante I also do my best Peridot impression for her voice).

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Welcome Wei Ji! c:
Now that I wonder about it, how would 'not playing the character of the opposite gender' work for me? Would every character I play be a bæddel? :Þ
Had to look that word up. I was disheartened, but not surprised, to learn the etymology of the English word "bad." I guess homophobic slurs have just always been a fundamental part of the language. :-/

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Not all groups that don't like guys playing female characters are prejudiced or even thinking about trans issues at all. We had some bad experiences with guys playing female characters for all the wrong reasons back in the day. It took years before we trusted anyone to do it at all well.
Oh, I'd agree with that to a certain level.
I think the tipping point in my awareness was playing on a particular MMO and there were several individuals who crossed into the 'creepy/stalker' zone and presumed that I was female IRL because 'You don't act like a guy playing a girl'. Wut??
And those were guildies that I'd known for six months to a year, gaming and rping (no erp!).
EDIT: Sorry for the double-post, thanks for the welcomes! I'm still learning about things, so please bear with any fumbling steps I make?

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As far as I can tell, no one cares about double, triple, quadruple, or ten-in-a-row posts here. You should see 50-odd post long rants on FAWTL thread.
I think the tipping point in my awareness was playing on a particular MMO and there were several individuals who crossed into the 'creepy/stalker' zone and presumed that I was female IRL because 'You don't act like a guy playing a girl'. Wut??
And how is that? o.O

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:Had to look that word up. I was disheartened, but not surprised, to learn the etymology of the English word "bad." I guess homophobic slurs have just always been a fundamental part of the language. :-/Welcome Wei Ji! c:
Now that I wonder about it, how would 'not playing the character of the opposite gender' work for me? Would every character I play be a bæddel? :Þ
It's actually a complicated history. o:
I personally find the etymology of bæddel to be empowering since it literally means 'person who defiles [christian gender roles]', and turning the tables on gender is something I've always done since I was a baby. Since it was used in a hybrid christian-heathen time, it also points directly to people whose gender performances made sense in heathenry, but not christianity. As a devotee of Thor who practices reconstructionist Germanic heathenry, that is also descriptive of me.
You should probably also see the tag on my blog where I muse on the nature of what the words bæddel and argr describe in Old English and Old Norse, but I'd have to send that link to you in private.

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As far as I can tell, no one cares about double, triple, quadruple, or ten-in-a-row posts here. You should see 50-odd post long rants on FAWTL thread.
Quote:I think the tipping point in my awareness was playing on a particular MMO and there were several individuals who crossed into the 'creepy/stalker' zone and presumed that I was female IRL because 'You don't act like a guy playing a girl'. Wut??And how is that? o.O
I presume they mean that they don't act like a sexist objectifying douchenozzle, since majority of creepy guys who play girls in games do it for the þā ærs ond titte.
EDIT: Actually I saw a graph shared by my friend who plays Guild Wars 2 of how the amount of men who play female characters swells significantly for races with breasts. :/

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On a side note, I feel embarrassed when I discovered that the avatar I picked is apparently of one of the least popular iconics on the forum. I actually like her for the character design (trans dwarf lady, AND her jewelry reminds me heavily of ancient Germanic metallurgy) and don't really know her story, so I guess I will eventually find out for myself whether her story really is hamfisted as some folks have said.
In which case my appreciation for her might become "I love her but the writers wrote her badly"

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On a side note, I feel embarrassed when I discovered that the avatar I picked is apparently of one of the least popular iconics on the forum. I actually like her for the character design (trans dwarf lady, AND her jewelry reminds me heavily of ancient Germanic metallurgy) and don't really know her story, so I guess I will eventually find out for myself whether her story really is hamfisted as some folks have said.
In which case my appreciation for her might become "I love her but the writers wrote her badly"
The story is great. The problem is that, for some people, "trans identities exist" is "too forced".

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:The story is great. The problem is that, for some people, "trans identities exist" is "too forced".On a side note, I feel embarrassed when I discovered that the avatar I picked is apparently of one of the least popular iconics on the forum. I actually like her for the character design (trans dwarf lady, AND her jewelry reminds me heavily of ancient Germanic metallurgy) and don't really know her story, so I guess I will eventually find out for myself whether her story really is hamfisted as some folks have said.
In which case my appreciation for her might become "I love her but the writers wrote her badly"
I was worried that that might be the case for the comments I've seen. Gross.

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On a side note, I feel embarrassed when I discovered that the avatar I picked is apparently of one of the least popular iconics on the forum. I actually like her for the character design (trans dwarf lady, AND her jewelry reminds me heavily of ancient Germanic metallurgy) and don't really know her story, so I guess I will eventually find out for myself whether her story really is hamfisted as some folks have said.
In which case my appreciation for her might become "I love her but the writers wrote her badly"
Really? I've heard little but praise for her. Other than a few bothered by the mere concept.
Read the story. I thought it was quite good.

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I look forward to all the hatemail my version of Bēowulf will get, in which Bēowulf is a transfeminine bæddel and Frēawaru/Hrūt is a strong, heroic, muscular trans woman who grows a beautiful beard later in the story c:< You know how in many modern interpretations of Bēowulf, the guy is larger than life, made of muscle and eats iron nails for breakfast? That's what Hrūt is since Bēowulf is too busy being adorable, elegant, gracile and five feet zero inches.
Also Hūnferð and his little brother are indigenous Libyans and Bēowulf actually dates the younger brother. And Hrōðgār is gay with Æschere o: Hūnferð is also gay with Wulfgār. Everybody is gay and it's beautiful.
Also Bēowulf was gay with Breca but that's probably obvious.
Really, this story is designed to piss all the conservatrúar off.

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I can't wait until I get the opportunities to play Dragon Age.
Is Inquisition one of the games where you get to do gay romances? Cus I will play a woman and romance the heck out of her c:<
EDIT: Not that the character models will stop me. I have a tendency to make a male character, point my finger at it and say "That's a woman". Mostly because I want muscles and/or beard options.

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I presume they mean that they don't act like a sexist objectifying douchenozzle, since majority of creepy guys who play girls in games do it for the þā ærs ond titte.
EDIT: Actually I saw a graph shared by my friend who plays Guild Wars 2 of how the amount of men who play female characters swells significantly for races with breasts. :/
*THIS*. For some reason, the fact I was a playing a character who happened to be a gender not being a 'big deal' was 'convincing' folks. And the fact I was protesting OOCly via page and private messages that I was a guy in real life didn't help my argument. Even when I sent a picture of myself "That can't be you." *boggles* The number of folks that offered gear or coin for... *shudders*
On a side note, I feel embarrassed when I discovered that the avatar I picked is apparently of one of the least popular iconics on the forum. I actually like her for the character design (trans dwarf lady, AND her jewelry reminds me heavily of ancient Germanic metallurgy) and don't really know her story, so I guess I will eventually find out for myself whether her story really is hamfisted as some folks have said.In which case my appreciation for her might become "I love her but the writers wrote her badly"
Crystal Frasier wrote Shardra and I immediately sympathized with the character and adopted her for a run through Silverhex. Right now I'm using the L7 version of her in a PbP.
I love Shardra as a character, and the writing, and yes... I'm fanboy'ing a bit.

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On a side note, I feel embarrassed when I discovered that the avatar I picked is apparently of one of the least popular iconics on the forum. I actually like her for the character design (trans dwarf lady, AND her jewelry reminds me heavily of ancient Germanic metallurgy) and don't really know her story, so I guess I will eventually find out for myself whether her story really is hamfisted as some folks have said.
In which case my appreciation for her might become "I love her but the writers wrote her badly"
Honestly I think it has more to do with the fact that there are vastly more male avatar choices and a lot of cis guys on the forums (and in the community in general). There was a glorious but brief error where one of the gender sorting options for the avatars was "Iomedae."

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I think one of the reasons Shardra is one of the least used icons is simply that she's one of the newest ones.
I don't doubt racism has a hand in what avatars get popular or not though (I haven't checked here, but I did a counting on another forum, and "black" avatars where about 1/3 as popular as "white" avatars, on average), but in the case of Shardra it's only been around for a year. Many people never change their avatars, and many have had their accounts for many years.

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mechaPoet wrote:Aniuś the Talewise wrote:Had to look that word up. I was disheartened, but not surprised, to learn the etymology of the English word "bad." I guess homophobic slurs have just always been a fundamental part of the language. :-/Welcome Wei Ji! c:
Now that I wonder about it, how would 'not playing the character of the opposite gender' work for me? Would every character I play be a bæddel? :Þ
It's actually a complicated history. o:
I personally find the etymology of bæddel to be empowering since it literally means 'person who defiles [christian gender roles]', and turning the tables on gender is something I've always done since I was a baby. Since it was used in a hybrid christian-heathen time, it also points directly to people whose gender performances made sense in heathenry, but not christianity. As a devotee of Thor who practices reconstructionist Germanic heathenry, that is also descriptive of me.
You should probably also see the tag on my blog where I muse on the nature of what the words bæddel and argr describe in Old English and Old Norse, but I'd have to send that link to you in private.
Actually that sounds really cool if you're comfortable messaging me the info. It's cool that you identify with the term, and the context you provided is definitely more helpful than my initial Google search. I was under the impression that old Germanic attitudes toward nonbinary folk and the defying of gender roles was generally disapproving; of course, that doesn't mean us nb's didn't exist anyway, and I'm guessing a lot of what I think I know is centuries-old Christian propaganda. Which I vaguely remember is the original intent of Beowulf? Glad to hear you're queering it up. :^D