Question about slams


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Alright, we got a guy in our game who's playing a converted warforged, all is well, but they have a slam attack. now it says in the rules that creatures often have to give up one natural attack for each weapon they wield in the limb that would make the nat attack. but for warforged, it doesn't say HOW they make the slam. is it fist? or an elbow? or what? can he wield a 2-handed weapon and still slam? and if he cant do it as part of a natural attack, can he do it as an attack of opportunity?

Grand Lodge

A warforged slam has always been described as a body slam.


The slam is made with an arm. That is why monsters in the bestiary or monster manual can not use manufactured weapons and slam in the same round.

Warforged uses 2 arms IIRC. I will post the source if I can find it.


Monsters with slams get one slam per arm-like appendage normally. The warforged only gets 1 slam. That is where the idea of 2 arms for one slam comes from, and it takes a feat for them to get 2 slams, and even then they can only use the feat if they have already slammed once.

Grand Lodge

The spiked body feat allows a warforged to deal piercing damage with their slam. I can search for more examples, but it seems to me to be a body slam.

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thanks. i see argument for both. i'm fine letting him do it with his body unless we get something with proof either way

Grand Lodge

Remember, a gelatinous cube can make a slam, and it has no limbs whatsoever. So, you at least know that there are creatures that have slams, that require no limbs.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
A warforged slam has always been described as a body slam.

False. 3.5, the edition where Forgeries come from stated "Slap or Slam: The creature batters opponents with an appendage, dealing bludgeoning damage." Plus the Magic item that upgrades the warforged slam is a gauntlet called the battlefist.

Eberron Art gallery: Warforged magic items

And in pathfinder Slams are cited as one of the hand occupying natural weapons when intermixing natural attacks.

"Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam)."

Grand Lodge

Okay, how does spiked body and the battle fist interact? I am just saying, it could be seen as either.


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In Races of Eberron it talks about using slam attack or doing it with 1.5 strength mod if both hands are free.

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hmmm i imagine you could hit them with your elbow, or somethingl ike that. i always saw slams kinda like a monk doing IUS, using knees, body, elbows, headbutts, etc.


BBT,

Not unless someone thought "Your body is overlaid with hundreds of protruding spikes" meant "Your torso is overlaid with hundreds of protruding spikes". Limbs are part of the body, although some RPG crit charts use the term 'Body' for torso and abdomen excluding limbs.

All the feat does to slam attacks is add piecing damage type.
"Though your slam attack deals no extra damage, the damage it deals is treated as both bludgeoning and piercing damage. "

Also worth noting the feat doesn't even permit using the spikes as Armor spikes for normal melee attacks. The Spiked body's only armor spike related effect is the grapple one.

"You deal extra piercing damage on a successful grapple attack as if you were wearing armor spikes (1d6 points for a Medium warforged)."

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