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Yes, you can stand up and take a 5' step. You can not move and take a 5' step, but you can take move actions and still make a 5' step.
A move action and moving to another square is not necessarily the same thing.
As long as you do not use a move action to move you may also take a 5 foot step. Standing up from prone is not considered movement, just a move action. So - You can stand up (move action) and also take a 5 foot step.
You are right. PFS crowd is right. Your home game is wrong.
Yes, yes you can.
I LOVE it when someone asks a rules question in the rules section and gets several succinct and CORRECT answers.
Keep being awesome, Paizo boards!
This is an excellent clarification - I will admit, I've been treating standing as a "move action" rather than a "move-equivalent action".
The ability to take a 5' step is a reasonably welcome nerf to tripping!
(This also illustrates the benefit of creating difficult terrain conditions and THEN tripping...)
Just for fun..
Standing up from prone for a medium creature is actually "movement" since you are moving five feet in the vertical dimension.
If you are small you can squeeze it in and not move into a new square, so if you're small, tiny or diminutive then you can stand and five foot step. If you are medium or taller, you've moved into another (vertical) square by standing and therefore it's a move action, not a move-equivalent action.
It's all about that pesky third dimension...
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This is an excellent clarification - I will admit, I've been treating standing as a "move action" rather than a "move-equivalent action".
The ability to take a 5' step is a reasonably welcome nerf to tripping!
(This also illustrates the benefit of creating difficult terrain conditions and THEN tripping...)
Technically speaking, standing from prone IS a Move Action, you're just not using the "Move" Move Action to do it.
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Technically speaking, standing from prone IS a Move Action, you're just not using the "Move" Move Action to do it.This is an excellent clarification - I will admit, I've been treating standing as a "move action" rather than a "move-equivalent action".
The ability to take a 5' step is a reasonably welcome nerf to tripping!
(This also illustrates the benefit of creating difficult terrain conditions and THEN tripping...)
Technically speaking there is a difference between a move equivalent action and a move action.
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Just for fun..
Standing up from prone for a medium creature is actually "movement" since you are moving five feet in the vertical dimension.
If you are small you can squeeze it in and not move into a new square, so if you're small, tiny or diminutive then you can stand and five foot step. If you are medium or taller, you've moved into another (vertical) square by standing and therefore it's a move action, not a move-equivalent action.
It's all about that pesky third dimension...
True, you have an upward vector but, if you want to take the 3rd dimension into account, a creature standing up is not moving into a new "cube", they are remaining in the "cube" they currently occupy. ;-)
@ Adamantine Dragon
Now you're just being silly... Love it. Warm up your flamethrower. ;-)
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Technically speaking there is a difference between a move equivalent action and a move action.Technically speaking, standing from prone IS a Move Action, you're just not using the "Move" Move Action to do it.This is an excellent clarification - I will admit, I've been treating standing as a "move action" rather than a "move-equivalent action".
The ability to take a 5' step is a reasonably welcome nerf to tripping!
(This also illustrates the benefit of creating difficult terrain conditions and THEN tripping...)
I'm not debating that, just pointing out that there are no "move equivalent actions". Those that are considered "move equivilant actions" are still called Move Actions.
EDIT: I'm not being argumentative or difficult, I agree with the consensus of the thread, just making the argument for fun.
@ Adamantine DragonNow you're just being silly... Love it. Warm up your flamethrower. ;-)
Heh, yep, this was a deliberate attempt to show how silly you can be in trying to rules lawyer the rules by showing how much more brilliant you are in interpreting the actual implications of every possible detail of the action in question.
I suppose you could stand and crouch to still five foot step.... But I'd need a ruling on that.
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@ Adamantine DragonNow you're just being silly... Love it. Warm up your flamethrower. ;-)
Heh, yep, this was a deliberate attempt to show how silly you can be in trying to rules lawyer the rules by showing how much more brilliant you are in interpreting the actual implications of every possible detail of the action in question.
I suppose you could stand and crouch to still five foot step.... But I'd need a ruling on that.
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You know, it's funny you mention this because I was originally considering posting this example to show how these threads devolve into stupidity, but decided against it. Alas.
The ability to take a 5' step is a reasonably welcome nerf to tripping!
It isn't a nerf, though. It's been this way since 3rd Edition D&D.