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Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but it's something that's been bugging me and I haven't found the answer to it yet.
If you are a 10th level druid, can you turn into a tiger that is larger than Large size? You have the option to turn into animals that are up to Huge size, but there is no Huge tiger in the bestiary. The biggest they get is Large. Can you turn into a larger one, or do you have to pick a different type of animal, one that's already of Huge size? It doesn't explicitly state that you can't, but it also doesn't say that you can.
Building on this: what about a Lion shaman? There are no feline creatures in the bestiary that are larger than Large size, so do you just have to deal with it, and either never turn into a Huge animal or take the -4 level penalty to your wild shape to turn into a dinosaur instead? This seems to me to make the Saurian shaman by far the best in the game, since there are dinosaurs that fulfill all of the different size categories.
Finally, if a druid can indeed adjust the size of a creature for wild shape, does this mean that a wizard could do so also with their polymorph effects? Could a wizard casting Undead Anatomy IV choose to become a Huge mohrg, even though the standard size of a mohrg is medium?
On the wild shape questions, i'm leaning toward a yes, especially for Shaman characters. If you can't turn into a Huge lion, what kind of Lion-based wild-shaper are you?
The wizard polymorph effects question is harder for me, so this one I definitely want others' opinions on.
Thanks for the info, those of you who know the rules better than myself!
You get the animal in the book at its base size. You don't get to changer into larger or smaller versions of the same animal.
Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.
Wild Shape works like polymorph spells. You turn into a generic member of that creature type. There are no Huge tigers or lions, so you can not take the form of a Huge tiger or lion.
And since you can't take the form of a templated creature, you can't take the form of a tiger or lion with the Giant template either (which is a way to get a Huge tiger or lion.)
I answered in the other thread but the poster above me is right. Giant simple template makes a huge tiger.
It would definitely do the job if you were allowed to do it, but the question is ARE YOU allowed to? To me, it seems like the answer should be yes, but that's why I'm asking.
No you can not do it. You can not take the form of a templated creature. A tiger with the Giant template is a templated creature.
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Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.Wild Shape works like polymorph spells. You turn into a generic member of that creature type. There are no Huge tigers or lions, so you can not take the form of a Huge tiger or lion.
And since you can't take the form of a templated creature, you can't take the form of a tiger or lion with the Giant template either (which is a way to get a Huge tiger or lion.)
There's my answer. No dice. That SUCKS! This should be an ability of the Shaman druids... they should be able to apply a simple template to their wild shapes to become a larger version of their totemic creatures.
Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.Wild Shape works like polymorph spells. You turn into a generic member of that creature type. There are no Huge tigers or lions, so you can not take the form of a Huge tiger or lion.
And since you can't take the form of a templated creature, you can't take the form of a tiger or lion with the Giant template either (which is a way to get a Huge tiger or lion.)
A dire tiger with the simple template is a generic individual, lion shamans can summon them with summon natures ally seven. Summoning spells cannot summon specific individuals so giant dire tiger is generic.
The simple templates are just easy to use to change monsters around, an advanced hd dire tiger would still be generic and huge.
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Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.Wild Shape works like polymorph spells. You turn into a generic member of that creature type. There are no Huge tigers or lions, so you can not take the form of a Huge tiger or lion.
And since you can't take the form of a templated creature, you can't take the form of a tiger or lion with the Giant template either (which is a way to get a Huge tiger or lion.)
A dire tiger with the simple template is a generic individual, lion shamans can summon them with summon natures ally seven. Summoning spells cannot summon specific individuals so giant dire tiger is generic.
The simple templates are just easy to use to change monsters around, an advanced hd dire tiger would still be generic and huge.
Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.
This line explicitly says it doesn't work. I also don't think you can add the Giant template to a summon with Summon Nature's Ally. If i'm wrong on that, please correct me with a rules quote.
Having read the full polymorph rule it does call out no templates or advanced creatures. So huge dire tiger is out unless your gm rules otherwise.
Personally i'd let my player be a huge dire tiger if he wanted to, its not often theres space on the board anyway and the difference between large and huge is about 3 damage per attack. The big changes would be to grapples and such but even then not that useful.
Edit: sorry i was writing this while you posted, i'm on my mobile so i can't really link you the rule but check out the lion shaman druid archtype, it gets a special summon ability at level 5 iirc.
A dire tiger with the simple template is a generic individual, lion shamans can summon them with summon natures ally seven. Summoning spells cannot summon specific individuals so giant dire tiger is generic.
The simple templates are just easy to use to change monsters around, an advanced hd dire tiger would still be generic and huge.
That is an ability only the specific animal shamans can use. A specific rule always trumps a generic one.
And even if a giant dire tiger is generic, it is still a templated creature. You still can't take the form of one.
I also don't think you can add the Giant template to a summon with Summon Nature's Ally. If i'm wrong on that, please correct me with a rules quote.
Normally, you can't. An animal shaman can, but only on certain types of animals.
Ask your GM if there are any huge tigers in his world.
Here is my stance why bother scouring all 3 beast books just to find a creature of an exact size and ability? Plant shape is already usless enough.
It was a drain of time in 3.5 had to pick your favorites and make flash cards to not slow down the game.
Just because its not in a statblock doesn't mean it can't exist. We rule it pick an animal say eagle assume whatever size you can choose from and look your done. Simple.
-Flash
In my game I allow it, but that's a house rule, not a standard rule. By RAW no you can't be a big tiger, and Saurial Shaman have the "best" wildshape as they have all sizes.