Consecutive Saves and Poison

[kevin_video]

So my players and I are a little confused on how the save works for poison when it has consecutive saves.

1) A poison has two saves. During the first time you're hit by it, do you still need to make two saves? Or do you make two saves if you're injured by it so that you can cure it?
2) You get hit with poison with multiple saves and fail the Fort. If you save once during the curing process, do you still take damage during that particular save because you're not yet cured?
3) If you get hit with multiple poison attacks that last for rounds each, and fail the saves for all, but they're all from the same creature, does each dose of poison stack or overlap for rounds? With that same token, do you need to still make multiple saves for each infliction you were hit with?

[Jiggy]

kevin_video wrote:

So my players and I are a little confused on how the save works for poison when it has consecutive saves.

1) A poison has two saves. During the first time you're hit by it, do you still need to make two saves? Or do you make two saves if you're injured by it so that you can cure it?

From Afflictions:

"All afflictions grant a saving throw when they are contracted. If successful, the creature does not suffer from the affliction and does not need to make any further rolls."

So if you're exposed to a poison (bitten by a spider, for example), you immediately roll a Fort save. If you succeed, then you're done. You don't need however many consecutive saves it says under "Cure" because you never really got successfully poisoned in the first place. Same with diseases.

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2) You get hit with poison with multiple saves and fail the Fort. If you save once during the curing process, do you still take damage during that particular save because you're not yet cured?

If you scroll further down from that link I provided, you get to the "Effect" sub-heading:

"This is the effect that the character suffers each time if he fails his saving throw against the affliction."

Since the effect is applied each time you fail, then a successful save doesn't apply effects to the subject, even if more saves are required in order to cure. Could stand to be a bit clearer on this, though.

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3) If you get hit with multiple poison attacks that last for rounds each, and fail the saves for all, but they're all from the same creature, does each dose of poison stack or overlap for rounds? With that same token, do you need to still make multiple saves for each infliction you were hit with?

Third paragraph under Poison:

"Unlike other afflictions, multiple doses of the same poison stack... Each additional dose extends the total duration of the poison (as noted under frequency) by half its total duration. In addition, each dose of poison increases the DC to resist the poison by +2. This increase is cumulative. Multiple doses do not alter the cure conditions of the poison, and meeting these conditions ends the affliction for all the doses."

So if you get bitten twice (OMG HASTED SPIDERS OF DOOM!), here's how it goes:
You get bitten the first time. Make a Fort save (let's assume you fail).
You get bitten the second time. Make a Fort save. Since this is to see whether or not you're affected, it's unmodified. (Let's again assume you fail.)
You now have two doses of poison in you. Instead of rolling two Fort saves at each frequency interval, you just roll one, but the DC is 2 points harder. Also, the duration is 50% longer than if you'd only been bitten once.

Let's say that next round, the spider keeps biting you. Each fresh bite grants an unaltered Fort save to see if the new dose gets into you or not. Each one that does will add another +2 to the DC on the already-going poison, and extend the duration by an additional 50%.

Starts to get bad fast.

I've probably been ninja'd into oblivion by now, but hey.