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Some rule questions about attacks of opportunity:
Full-Round Action: Use a touch spell on up to six friends: Attack of Opportunity: Yes
1) This provoke 1 AoO or up to six (i.e. up to the number of touch used)?
(note that it is not a AoO for casting the spell, you can be a target for a AoO even if you were "holding the charge" from a previous round)2) There is no corresponding line for using a touch spell on one friend.
Delivering 1 touch is a standard action or a it is still a full round action?
It still provoke?
If touching a friend to deliver a spell is always a full-round action "holding a charge" become way less interesting and combat healing become problematic.
This don't help much:
Touch: ... Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch up to 6 willing targets as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell. If the spell allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds, touching 6 creatures is a full-round action.
Again, touching 6 creatures is a full round action. touching 5? 2? One?
This text can cause a lot of problems. I am used to situations in which player that was "holding a charge" could walk his full movement and then deliver the spell as a standard action against a friendly target, but if delivering a held charge is a full round action there is a problem with moving ad delivering it.
if, as more coherently with other rules, it is a standard action to deliver a held spellagainst a single target, we are lacking a row in the standard action section of the table, and we still have the problem if delivering the spell provoke or not.
If you feel that touching one target shouldn't provoke, why touching more than one will provoke?
If you cast a touch spell, you can touch UP TO 6 willing targets as part of the casting of the spell (typically a standard action.)
If the spell allows you to touch over multiple rounds, each round after the initial casting, you can spend a full-round action (which provokes) to touch UP TO 6 more willing targets of the spell.
If you are only delivering the spell to a single target, you can do this as part of the casting, moving before, in between casting and touching, or after you deliver the touch.
If you hold the charge, it is a standard action on a subsequent round to deliver the touch. Single target touches do not provoke AoO.
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Found another piece of the relevant rules under combat:
Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.
So, touching 1 friendly target with a held spell is a standard action, what we still lack a clear statement if it provoke or not.
If you hold the charge, it is a standard action on a subsequent round to deliver the touch. Single target touches do not provoke AoO.
You have a rule citation for your statement that a single touch from a held charge don't provoke?
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If you hold the charge, it is a standard action on a subsequent round to deliver the touch. Single target touches do not provoke AoO.You have a rule citation for your statement that a single touch from a held charge don't provoke?
Melee attacks don't provoke. Touching an ally is just a melee touch attack that is not resisted.
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But a caster, at any level, can touch up to 6 friendly targets.
The paragon Starglim made fail my test (a sequence of multiple attacks don't provoke, touching multiple friends to deliver a spell provoke) and yours (touching 6 friends is way above the number of attacks that a caster can get, with the possible exception of a eldritch knight with the two weapon combat feat tree) so it don't hold water.
Touching 6 friends as a full-round action provokes, because the rules say so.
Touching one friend as a standard action (or for free as part of casting a touch spell) doesn't provoke, because the rules don't say it does.
In fact, delivering a touch spell on an enemy explicitly doesn't provoke. So why would touching a friend (or yourself) do so?
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1) because the rules say "Use a touch spell on up to six friends" without giving a minimum number
2) the rules don't say that touching 1 target don't provoke
3) touching an enemy don't provoke because it is an armed attack when you have a touch spell ready and the rules say that armed meele attacks don't provoke.
What the rules reported so far say is:
- touching up to 6 friends is full round action that provoke
- specific exception: "You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action." so touching 1 target is a standard action
- there is no specific exception for not provoking
As already pointed above, the paragon between armed combat and friendly touches don't work as they are mechanically different.
Specifically, Grick, the rules say that any number of friendly touches with a touch range spell provoke, as the text say "up to" and there is no minimum number.
You are arguing what is logic for the game, but that is nor the RAW of the rules.
If there is no text giving an explicit exception "up to 6" mean "from one to six".
Specifically, Grick, the rules say that any number of friendly touches with a touch range spell provoke, as the text say "up to" and there is no minimum number.
There are two different actions.
Action A) You can use a standard action to touch one friend.
Action B) You can use a full-round action to touch up to six friends.
Action B provokes.
So if you only want to touch one friend, you wouldn't use Action B, you would use Action A.
Nowhere in the rules does it say Action A provokes. Other actions that are nearly identical to Action A specifically don't provoke. Even if you were not armed, touching something is at best an unarmed attack, and making an unarmed attack provokes only from the target. So even if you're not armed, and you touch a friend, only that friend could hit you. Add in the fact that you are armed because you're delivering a touch spell, and it makes even less sense.
Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.
This is the important part. The table shows that touching up to 6 as a full-round action provokes.
The table does not show that touching 1 as a standard action provokes. Since nothing says the action provokes, it doesn't.