Beast Rider

[dragfal]

Hello,

I have some questions about the Cavalier archetype beast rider :
how could we calculate and create a TG mount/ companion ?
In the beastiary they say :

Table: Size Changes Old Size* New Size Str Dex Con Natural Armor
Fine Diminutive Same –2 Same Same
Diminutive Tiny +2 –2 Same Same
Tiny Small +4 –2 Same Same
Small Medium +4 –2 +2 Same
Medium Large +8 –2 +4 +2
Large Huge +8 –2 +4 +3
Huge Gargantuan +8 Same +4 +4
Gargantuan Colossal +8 Same +4 +5
* Repeat the adjustment if the creature moves up more than one size.
Table: Size Bonuses and Penalties Size AC/Attack CMB/CMD Fly Skill Stealth Skill
Fine +8 –8 +8 +16
Diminutive +4 –4 +6 +12
Tiny +2 –2 +4 +8
Small +1 –1 +2 +4
Medium +0 +0 +0 +0
Large –1 +1 –2 –4
Huge –2 +2 –4 –8
Gargantuan –4 +4 –6 –12
Colossal –8 +8 –8 –16

if we check for the Animal Companions, that table work but not perfectly. They gain Str +4 Dex –2 Con +2 for M to L, and Str +8, Dex –2, Con +4 for L to H. And if you check for the H version to the TG normal version, the +8 –2 +4 +3 work too. But you have some variation on point and some excpetion Like the bear... P to M you get nearly to +4 –2 +2, and you get the bonus motioned on the Ultimate Combat book for M to L (+2 -2 +2) like an the beast rider example...

Can some one explain me the truth and give me an exemple for a Huge companions like a Tyrannosaurus ?

Thx a lot, sorry for my bad english

[Starglim]

The tyrannosaurus animal companion progression is in the Bestiary on page 86. It doesn't reach Huge size.

In general, an animal companion's advancement is not necessarily a simple size increase. Often they gain extra maturity and new abilities at the same time.

[dragfal]

But when you looko on the beast rider, they say :

Quote:

In addition, a 7th-level or higher Medium beast rider can select any creature whose natural size is Large or Huge, provided that creature is normally available as a Medium-sized animal companion at 7th level (like a bear). To generate statistics for such a mount, apply the following modifications: Size Large; Ability Scores Str +2, Dex –2, Con +2. Increase the damage of each of the mount's natural attacks by one die size. A beast rider cannot choose a mount that is not capable of bearing his weight, that has fewer than four legs, or that has a fly speed (although the GM may allow mounts with a swim speed in certain environments).

But when you check on Animal Companions, you will never find a Huge one. So how can we make it ?

[dragfal]

Quote:

Exotic Mount (Ex): At 1st level, a beast rider forms a bond with a strong, loyal companion that permits him to ride it as a mount. This mount functions as a druid's animal companion, using the beast rider's level as his effective druid level. The animal chosen as a mount must be large enough to carry the beast rider (Medium or Large for a Small character; Large or Huge for a Medium character).

[dragfal]

So how can we calculate and find, the stats of the Huge animal companion ?

[Sah]

dragfal wrote:

But when you looko on the beast rider, they say :

Quote:

In addition, a 7th-level or higher Medium beast rider can select any creature whose natural size is Large or Huge, provided that creature is normally available as a Medium-sized animal companion at 7th level (like a bear). To generate statistics for such a mount, apply the following modifications: Size Large; Ability Scores Str +2, Dex –2, Con +2. Increase the damage of each of the mount's natural attacks by one die size. A beast rider cannot choose a mount that is not capable of bearing his weight, that has fewer than four legs, or that has a fly speed (although the GM may allow mounts with a swim speed in certain environments).

But when you check on Animal Companions, you will never find a Huge one. So how can we make it ?

Well for the T-rex the answer is going to be that you just use the animal companion stats for it because they already exist.

In the section you quoted it says that you do this for creatures that exist as medium sized druid animal companions when the druid is 7th level, so your list of available mounts is still limited to that list, just you get to make them bigger and stronger.

So if the creature in question is normally huge in the bestiary, but it is available as a medium sized animal companion at level 7, you take the medium sized stats and buff them by the listed amount, and make it large.

[deusvult]

*casts resurrect thread*

I'm really curious about something.

There seems to be a discrepancy for medium riders in the rules for 4th and 7th level threshholds for the Exotic Mount ability.

PRD wrote:

Medium beast riders can choose a camel or horse mount at 1st level. At 4th level, a Medium beast rider can also choose an allosaurus, ankylosaurus, arsinoitherium, aurochs, bison, brachiosaurus, elephant, glyptodon, hippopotamus, lion, mastodon, megaloceros, snapping turtle (giant), tiger, triceratops, or tyrannosaurus as his mount. Additional mounts might be available with GM approval.

Most of the critters on that list are still medium sized animal companions until 7th level. How then does a 4th, 5th, or 6th level Beast Rider work with say a Lion or Tyrannosaurus mount that isn't large size until 7th level?

I'm guessing the answer is they just have a melee companion to fight next to rather than a rideable mount, but am I missing something?