Inquisitors of Irori

[Dragor2017]

The PFS guide says that Clerics of Irori receive Improved Unarmed strike as a bonus feat. Does this apply to Inquisitors as well? It seems like it should as Inquisitors are proficient with their diety's chosen weapon, but the guide only says cleric.

[Deussu]

That would indeed feel logical, but around when Joshua Frost created the special rule in the guide there were no inquisitors.

Something for Brock to think about, I guess. Contact him on the matter.

[Jiggy]

Yeah, probably should change that from "clerics" to "classes who gain proficiency in their deity's favored weapon".

[Starglim]

Has this been resolved?

[Arassuil]

Thread Necro!

This issue seems like it's still not resolved as of yet, so I wanted to bring it up again.

While this isn't a huge deal for an Inquisitor of Irori, you wind up with bigger problems if there is a PFS Inquisitor with the Nobility domain. Because, rules as written, they would gain Leadership at 8th level, because it's doesn't say anywhere that it functions any different.

[Nefreet]

re-re-necro...

I see the staff response is "No reply required" (my favorite response!), so should I assume Inquisitors of Irori gain IUS? How would you rule it if you were GM?

I'm statting up either a Zen Archer or Inquisitor of Irori as my next 1st level character. If the general consensus is "yes", I'll go with Inquisitor. If "no", I'll go with Zen Archer.

[Finlanderboy]

under inquistor

Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An inquisitor is proficient with all simple weapons, plus the hand crossbow, longbow, repeating crossbow, shortbow, and the favored weapon of her deity. She is also proficient with light armor, medium armor, and shields (except tower shields).

[RainyDayNinja]

Nefreet wrote:

I see the staff response is "No reply required" (my favorite response!), so should I assume Inquisitors of Irori gain IUS? How would you rule it if you were GM?

I would say that means we go by the rules as they currently stand (Clerics, but not Inquisitors), no matter how logical it would be to extend it to Inquisitors.

[Nefreet]

Exactly the two schools of thought I was wondering about.

So far we have:

Yes: 1
No: 1

Let's keep 'em coming!

[Finlanderboy]

I would argue yes. Based on the fact that the cleric and inquistor shares the same verbiage for favored weapon.

[Nefreet]

Except I'm going to have to deal with the occasional GM that says "no", citing the fact that the Guide only gives Clerics IUS, whereas there's no mention of Inquisitors.

If I go Inquisitor, I'm looking at taking the Snake Style feat chain, so it's important to make sure I have the prerequisite feat that kicks it all off.

I have a biased opinion on the matter, so I won't count my own vote.

[Mergy]

I would have to say no. Not because I don't think they should, but because there's no mention of it in the guide and you're better safe than sorry. Take Improved Unarmed Strike as a feat. If it's clarified later in your favour, you have a feat you didn't expect to have.

[Finlanderboy]

I think this would be an awesome time for a staff member to chime in and say "finhead you are wrong!"

[BigNorseWolf]

Apparently *headdesk* gets interpreted favorably in response to both sides by each side.

[Nefreet]

Yes: 1
No: 2

What about you, wolf?

[BigNorseWolf]

I'd say yes. It makes sense mechanically (you get proficiency with your deities favored weapon, imp. unarmed strike is functionally proficiency with your fist) and thematically. I mean you studied and prayed to the god of smacking things with your fist for 1d6 years, you should have learned how to smack things with your fist.

[Nefreet]

That puts us at 50/50 so far. Where's Florida when you need it?

[Tim Statler]

I'd say yes. Again,clerics and inquisitors share the same wording. So I don't see a reason to state otherwise.

[Mike Lindner]

Does it make sense for them to? Yes
Do they actually get IUS? No

[Nefreet]

Yes: 3
No: 3

I hope there aren't any current Inquisitors of Irori reading this thread...

[Mergy]

I'm beginning to think that there might be a reply needed for the FAQ.

[Nefreet]

Agreed.

Shall we choose THIS ONE, or THIS ONE?

[Nefreet]

oR...

QUESTION: Do Inquisitors of Irori receive Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat?

[Mergy]

Saved me doing it myself! :)

[Arassuil]

Nefreet wrote:

QUESTION: Do Inquisitors of Irori in PFS receive Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat?

There. I clarified it a little bit further for you. :)

[Nefreet]

Entilzha wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

QUESTION: Do Inquisitors of Irori in PFS receive Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat?

There. I clarified it a little bit further for you. :)

I considered that, but given that this is a PFS forum already, I decided it was unnecessary.

[Arassuil]

Nefreet wrote:

I considered that, but given that this is a PFS forum already, I decided it was unnecessary.

That is a good point that I hadn't considered. Of course, if I could miss that point, so could a developer. shrug

[Nefreet]

W00t! We already have more FAQ hits than the OP!

[zefig]

I FAQd it, but until then I have to come in on the side that they should but by RAW they don't.

[Nefreet]

Thank you for your vote!

Yes: 3
No: 4

What about you, Arassuil?

[Arassuil]

My vote would be yes, they should get Improved Unarmed Strike. RAW, however, they don't. It would need to become another PFS "house rule".

And while they were at it, they'd need to update the same wording for Inquisitors with the Nobility domain: at 8th level, they get Leadership (which would need to be "house ruled" to Persuasive).

[Mikaze]

RAW: No
RAI: Yes

[Finlanderboy]

I need more faq pushers.

[Nefreet]

Yes: 3
No: 6

Given that Durable Arrows are now available, I might just go with Zen Archer after all...

[Nefreet]

Finlanderboy wrote:

I need more faq pushers.

27 so far!

[SteelDraco]

I'd say they should.

Inquisitors gain proficiency in the deity's favored weapon. In PF, proficiency in unarmed strikes is represented by the IUS feat. Therefore, they should gain it.

[Jiggy]

SteelDraco wrote:

In PF, proficiency in unarmed strikes is represented by the IUS feat.

Da rulez wrote:

All characters are proficient with unarmed strikes

Sorry, but we're gonna need a PFS-specific campaign rule for Inquisitors of Irori to get IUS. (Which, for the record, I think they should.)

[Nefreet]

Ooh, it's neck and neck!

Yes: 5
No: 6

[Belarias]

Sadly, while I agree that if clerics get it inquisitors *SHOULD* since it is not directly stated by the "PFS House Rule" they do not get it.

I vote no.

[Nefreet]

Dun dunn dunnnnnnn!!

Yes: 5
No: 7

[R2D2TS]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

I'd say yes. It makes sense mechanically (you get proficiency with your deities favored weapon, imp. unarmed strike is functionally proficiency with your fist) and thematically. I mean you studied and prayed to the god of smacking things with your fist for 1d6 years, you should have learned how to smack things with your fist.

I agree with what Wolf says here. Count me as a yes.

[Derwalt]

I say yes as well. The general rule says clerics get X. The general rule also says; inquisitors gets the same as clerics (in this instance). Then there's been a clarification that for clerics of Irori X is changed to Y. It follows that inquisitors of Irori then also get Y.

[Yiroep]

I think they should get it.

"Yes"

Edit: It's also worthy of note that most the people that say "No" don't say it because they think insquisitors shouldn't get the feat, it's because that's their interpretation. If you get what I'm saying here....

[Nefreet]

And the Yeses take the lead 8 to 7!!

We have 43 FAQ hits so far! Have you voted?

[Zahmahkibo]

Back to 50/50: No.

I'd raise an eyebrow at any GM in a private game who wouldn't allow this under a house rule, but RAW is RAW.

-"An inquisitor is proficient with ... the favored weapon of her deity." (APG)
-"All characters are proficient with unarmed strikes." (CRB)
-"Clerics of Irori receive Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat so they can use their deity’s favored weapon (unarmed strike) without
provoking an attack of opportunity." (Guide to PFS)

That section of the PFS Guide class rule section has entries for other APG classes, so it's clearly up to date for Inquisitors. It's clearly the intent that IUS should be treated as a weapon proficiency feat for any effect that grants such feats, but I'm not aware of source that actually says so--and if this rule did exist, there would be no need for the Cleric of Irori errata.

[Nefreet]

*sniff*

I'm so happy to see a civil discussion!

[Totenpfuhl]

I say yes. I don't have an inquisitor of Irori, but it just, to me, makes obvious sense.

[Zahmahkibo]

This recent response from SKR seems to explain why the original question got "No Response Needed."

Sean K. Reynolds wrote:

Some other guy wrote:

If I were to go about it, I think I'd write a petition post and have people "sign" the post by hitting FAQ. That may violate some of the posting rules, I don't know, but it seems like an organized, "peaceful", and hopefully a non-badgering method.

FYI, that's not what tho FAQ is for, and we'd mark the thread "no response needed," as we'd rather not have "you should change the rule to *this*" threads cluttering up the queue of FAQs that need answering.

A response of NRN is pretty much "The RAW is clear, so follow that." I don't like the RAW in this case, but I don't think it's ambiguous either.

[Nefreet]

Except, oftentimes the RAW (or RAI) aren't clear. This thread alone should prove that. I posted a link above to a thread I started about the matter. I believe there are better responses than "No reply required".

But, getting back on topic...

Yes: 9
No: 8

[Seraphimpunk]

yes, inquisitors of irorri should get improved unarmed strike.

clerics and inquisitors should get a free 1d6 damage bump (static nonprogressive) so you actually see them using it vs. the 1d3.

why not. inquisitors already get all crossbows (even the exotic ones)