Since an Eidolon isn't an actual creature, but rather an aspect of a much larger and more powerful creature, I'm going to say no.
As for the 'aspect of a greater creature' bit, all summons do that.
Not to the extent of a Summoner's Eidolon, though. If you summon a celestial dog, it's a celestial dog, and will always be a celestial dog. Even if you called the same creature, it would still be a celestial dog (though the called version would be able to be killed.) If you summon an eidolon, it could take the form of a dog, a horse, a tiny wingless dragon, a four-pseudopodic amorphous blob, a robot with four legs, two humans joined at the hip with one comatose head and four useless arms, whatever the summoner can think up- as long as it has the appropriate limbs & natural attack modes for its body type and evolutions- because you're not actually summoning the creature, you're summoning an aspect of it that is tied to your abilities and your advancement.
Summoning: A summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower, but it is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can't be summoned again.
When the spell that summoned a creature ends and the creature disappears, all the spells it has cast expire. A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have.
There really isn't anything there to suggest you aren't actually summoning the creature- the only thing different from Calling a creature, really, is the fact that it's not dead when it reaches 0 hit points, and that it can't use innate summoning abilities. I don't see any mention of summoning a "facsimile" or "aspect" at all.
I quit giving mine a cell phone since it used up all my minutes, over charged on its text plan, and called those 1-900 numbers on late night TV. So no, can't call MY eidolon.
Let me guess... you never gave the poor creature any increase to Int or Wis.
You can't call it because it does not really exist until the summoner wants it too. Aspects are not actual creatures. They are representations of another monster that exist. As an example Asmodeus could have an aspect of himself, but you can't really use a calling spell to force Asmodeus to create an aspect or to take his aspect from him.
Not at all. My point is that you can not force a creature to create an aspect of itself, and that is what an eidolon is. It is not its own creature. Since the aspect of an eidlon can be powerful enough to take on pit fiends I would say that the actual eidolon could possibly be just as powerful as a deity since the book never says how much more powerful the actual creature is than the aspect.
A summoner begins play with the ability to summon to his side a powerful outsider called an eidolon. The eidolon forms a link with the summoner, who, forever after, summons an aspect of the same creature.
That is what prevents it. You can not call what does not exist.
Now if you are trying to call the actual eidolon, and not the aspect that the summoner calls then the issue is that the actual creature has no official stats, and does not exist in any bestiary. To come up with such stats which would include HD would require GM Fiat. The book only says the original creature is a powerful outsider which is very vague.
Since there are no typical eidolons it seems that each eidolon is a unique creature. Unique creatures can't even be forced to be called with the gate spell.
You still have not taken care of the other issues such as not having stats for an eidolon(the real one, not the aspect.)
You still have not taken care of the other issues such as not having stats for an eidolon(the real one, not the aspect.)Not having stats doesn't mean it can't be done. It just means that the GM has to do the work of statting out the eidolon.
The game assumes that you get to summon/call creatures that exist in the bestiary or some other book with monster stats. Anything else is GM Fiat. GM Fiat is houseruling. I have nothing against it in principle, but when discussing rules it is generally not an option.
If I go to the GM and say "I want to summon/call _____", and he says "show it to me", and I can't......
This may sound dumb and not sure if this is the right place for it but could the Summoner use the 'Unseen Servant' spell and have the servant do the summoning ritual to summon the Eidolon for the Summoner?
How could an unseen servant do it? For the purpose of that question we will assume the unseen servant is actually a creature, which it is not.
An unseen servant is an invisible, mindless, shapeless force that performs simple tasks at your command. It can run and fetch things, open unstuck doors, and hold chairs, as well as clean and mend.
Not having stats doesn't mean it can't be done. It just means that the GM has to do the work of statting out the eidolon.
Are you seriously arguing DM fiat territory? By that logic, a spellcaster could summon the party fighter if the DM allows it. What's this conversation doing in the rules forum?
|
A very basic reason why you can't summon an Eidolon.
...
In addition, the eidolon and the summoner must remain within 100 feet of one another for the eidolon to remain at full strength. If the eidolon is beyond 100 feet but closer than 1,000 feet, its current and maximum hit point totals are reduced by 50%. If the eidolon is more than 1,000 feet away but closer than 10,000 feet, its current and maximum hit point totals are reduced by 75%. If the eidolon is more than 10,000 feet away, it is immediately returned to its home plane. Current hit points lost in this way are not restored when the eidolon gets closer to its summoner, but its maximum hit point total does return to normal.
|
|
This refers to the eidolon when summoned by the summoner. IOW, when all of the specified restrictions are in place.A very basic reason why you can't summon an Eidolon.
...
In addition, the eidolon and the summoner must remain within 100 feet of one another for the eidolon to remain at full strength. If the eidolon is beyond 100 feet but closer than 1,000 feet, its current and maximum hit point totals are reduced by 50%. If the eidolon is more than 1,000 feet away but closer than 10,000 feet, its current and maximum hit point totals are reduced by 75%. If the eidolon is more than 10,000 feet away, it is immediately returned to its home plane. Current hit points lost in this way are not restored when the eidolon gets closer to its summoner, but its maximum hit point total does return to normal.
No, Happy. It refer to the Eidolon. Point.
The Eidolons have a specific weakness. You don't get to change a creature weaknesses and resistance because you are using a different method to summon it.If you want to summon a eidolon you need t take the whole package, you don't get to pick an chose "this rule from the eidoln rule", "this rule from the summoning rules", "No, I don't want this rule". Well, unless your GM don't allow you that, but then you are playing a modified version of Pathfinder.Then there is the not little problem that "eidolon" is a catch all name for a group that is larger than a whole race of outsiders.
"An eidolon" isn't the same thing as "an Azata", Bralani. It is the same thin as "an azata" and you can't summon/call/gate "an azata".