Those Wascally Dwagons


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I'm not sure if this should go under advice or rules questions, but here it is:

In numerous books, games and settings, Dragons walk amongst mortals in disguise, appearing as the same person and often spending years as humanoids without being discovered. Yet, as far as I can tell, there is no way to do this from a rules standpoint. Alter Self only lasts 1 minute per level, and shapechange isn't much better. There's also no magic item that can do this. The only thing that comes close is a hat of disguise, which although can make a dragon look like a human, anyone interacting with them can obviously tell they're not.

So my question is, how can a dragon reliably disguise oneself as a humanoid?

Frog God Games

I would create a magic item that acts as the Alter Self spell when worn, no duration.


Thomas, The Canadian Chromatic wrote:

I'm not sure if this should go under advice or rules questions, but here it is:

In numerous books, games and settings, Dragons walk amongst mortals in disguise, appearing as the same person and often spending years as humanoids without being discovered. Yet, as far as I can tell, there is no way to do this from a rules standpoint. Alter Self only lasts 1 minute per level, and shapechange isn't much better. There's also no magic item that can do this. The only thing that comes close is a hat of disguise, which although can make a dragon look like a human, anyone interacting with them can obviously tell they're not.

So my question is, how can a dragon reliably disguise oneself as a humanoid?

Gold, Silver, and Bronze dragons - the dragons prone to do this - have the Change Shape supernatural ability, which allows them to maintain their altered forms indefinitely.


Some Dragons have a supernatural ability that allows them to do what you request, if I remember correctly. I would take a look at the Gold and Silver Dragons. I do not think any of the Chromatic (Bad) dragons can do it, but I think that plays into the personality of those evil dragons because why would they want to walk amongst the cattle, so to speak.


Well I was thinking more along the lines of a Chromatic. And I looked at the Gold and Silvers change shape ability, it doesn't say it has an indefinite duration, and it says it functions as polymorph, which has a 1 minute per caster level duration, so I'm back in the same boat.


Thomas, The Canadian Chromatic wrote:
Well I was thinking more along the lines of a Chromatic. And I looked at the Gold and Silvers change shape ability, it doesn't say it has an indefinite duration, and it says it functions as polymorph, which has a 1 minute per caster level duration, so I'm back in the same boat.

Under the general monster ability rules for Change Shape it says that the creature can mantain the form indefinitely.

Scarab Sages

GM Fiat. 'Nuff said!


Xexyz wrote:
Thomas, The Canadian Chromatic wrote:
Well I was thinking more along the lines of a Chromatic. And I looked at the Gold and Silvers change shape ability, it doesn't say it has an indefinite duration, and it says it functions as polymorph, which has a 1 minute per caster level duration, so I'm back in the same boat.
Under the general monster ability rules for Change Shape it says that the creature can mantain the form indefinitely.

Beat me to it.


Well I guess I'll have to go with a Tarnished Silver then. If you're wondering what for, my GM is possibly letting me be a dragon, and since our party right now is one of those 'Let's be evil so we can do crazy stupid stuff for no reason!' kind of parties, I'll have to be at least neutral.


Thomas, The Canadian Chromatic wrote:
Well I guess I'll have to go with a Tarnished Silver then. If you're wondering what for, my GM is possibly letting me be a dragon, and since our party right now is one of those 'Let's be evil so we can do crazy stupid stuff for no reason!' kind of parties, I'll have to be at least neutral.

Ahhh, alignments for most things are guidelines and what is generally observed, there is no reason a DM couldn't rule 0 an evil silver dragon. With that said.

I have no idea of your group, what they are playing, or what the campaign is like so this is probably going to be crappy advise, but I will air on the off chance it is interesting. I would take a look at the Dragon Sorceror, Dragon Disciple Camp. You get alot of dragon abilities and the ability to transform into a Dragon. People who focus on using spells to just self-buff themselves sometimes look at multi-classing into Paladin, or in this case, Anti-Paladin because of the synergy of Charisma, combined with the Strenght buffs that the Dragon Disciple brings.

Liberty's Edge

Since dragons are innately magical creatures with centuries-long life spans, those interested in infiltrating magical society at this level will have developed customized spells or SLAs with which to pull this off.

Bonus: Since dragons cast spells as sorcerers, there is no spellbook for the PC's to get their hands on and you never have to worry about the details of the spells. It just works.

In other words...

Wolfsnap wrote:
GM Fiat. 'Nuff said!

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