Intellectual Familiars


Rules Questions


Im sure this subject has been talked about before, but i can find it no where so here it goes. I have a wizard coming up on 7th level pretty fast and im goin to take improved familiar and get a Faerie Dragon. My question is that by the wizards chart it would have a 9 int, but as base the faerie dragon has a 16int, so did i just find the dumbest dragon in the woods or is there an errata/fac or w/e saying this chart only applies to familiars with lower ints like the animals etc. I assume you would take whichever is higher because it doesnt make much sense why a wizard would take a sub optimal/retarded version of the species for his familiar. Thoughts? Or possibly a link explaining this?


I'd have to do some digging, but surely their is a line somewhere that says use the chart or the creatures base stat, whichever is higher/more beneficial.


I havent seen the actual rule but I would assume that if its base int is higher then the chart you keep its base int.

Those charts are for normal familiars that start with a 2 int. In fact I think the last time this happened in one of our games we just added up the bonus int and gave it to the base int. For instance...

9 - 2 = 7
7 + 16 = 23

So your Faerie Dragon would have a 23 int. At least thats how we did it. Im sure that was just a house rule.


Heh, a 23 int familiar would definitely be a "house rule." And a pretty generous one.

At best I would say take the highest of the creature's natural intelligence or the familiar boosted int.


This was my thoughts too, but my DM can be a bit sticky to the rules and i was hoping i could show him some errata or somthing explaining it by raw... As far as adding the int to one with an already higher one, i doubt i could pull that off. I could possibly see it if i had said familiar since level 1, but i dont see how you could give int a 7 bump as soon as you got it. With that said i would allow the familiar to gain a point whenever it would from the chart after 7th.


I think a 23 int familiar is going to give me as the GM some wonderful role playing opportunities. Some of those may not be terribly pleasant for the PC, especially if the PC has a significantly lower int compared to the familiar.

Of course as a GM I wouldn't even entertain the notion of boosting the familiars natural intelligence to 23 anyway.


Well you get that from a Faerie Dragon to begin with lol. It is after all a dragon. Not a psydo dragon (is that the spelling?) who is dragon like... or dragonish.... no a Faerie Dragon is just that... a dragon.

And it has a 16 int so it knows its not only a dragon but smarter then most humans it meets anyways. At least in the games I have been a part of, its always been a buch of laughes seeing the caster and his familiar argue.

I actually would be disapointed if it didnt happen lol.

Grand Lodge

A creature who becomes a familiar does not suddenly become stupider. You just take the higher of the two.

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