Barbarian speed vs. medium armor


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Human barbarian with a speed of 40, does it drop to 30 or 20 when he wears medium armor?


PRD - Core - Classes - Barbarian wrote:
Fast Movement (Ex): A barbarian's land speed is faster than the norm for her race by +10 feet. This benefit applies only when she is wearing no armor, light armor, or medium armor, and not carrying a heavy load. Apply this bonus before modifying the barbarian's speed because of any load carried or armor worn. This bonus stacks with any other bonuses to the barbarian's land speed.

The barbarian's speed is 40, then putting on Medium Armor reduces the speed by 10, so the total speed should be 30.


Armor does not reduce speed by a fixed amount. You can find a table for armor and encumbrance for base speeds other than 20/30 here (just scroll down). The barbarian will be able to move at 30 in medium armor.


Kriss Lambert wrote:
Human barbarian with a speed of 40, does it drop to 30 or 20 when he wears medium armor?

I always figured you added the speed increase after the reduction due to armor.


Starbuck_II wrote:
Kriss Lambert wrote:
Human barbarian with a speed of 40, does it drop to 30 or 20 when he wears medium armor?
I always figured you added the speed increase after the reduction due to armor.

From the text of Fast Movement: "Apply this bonus before modifying the barbarian’s speed because of any load carried or armor worn."

Liberty's Edge

Blackest Sheep wrote:
Armor does not reduce speed by a fixed amount. You can find a table for armor and encumbrance for base speeds other than 20/30 here (just scroll down). The barbarian will be able to move at 30 in medium armor.

Wow, I did not know that. That kinda sucks, my barbarian / (travel) inquisitor just found another reason he should run around in light armor rather than medium.

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ShadowcatX wrote:
Blackest Sheep wrote:
Armor does not reduce speed by a fixed amount. You can find a table for armor and encumbrance for base speeds other than 20/30 here (just scroll down). The barbarian will be able to move at 30 in medium armor.
Wow, I did not know that. That kinda sucks, my barbarian / (travel) inquisitor just found another reason he should run around in light armor rather than medium.

You're stil moving faster than the untrained fighter or Paladin wearing the same armor.


ShadowcatX wrote:
Wow, I did not know that. That kinda sucks, my barbarian / (travel) inquisitor just found another reason he should run around in light armor rather than medium.

Yeah, my archery-focussed cleric with the travel domain does not like that table either. At least light armor fits his theme ... ;-)

You actually always need to add bonuses to speed before armor/encumbrance:

PF20SRD wrote:
Always apply any modifiers to a character's speed before adjusting the character's speed based on armor or encumbrance, and remember that multiple bonuses of the same type to a character's speed don't stack.

Liberty's Edge

LazarX wrote:
You're stil moving faster than the untrained fighter or Paladin wearing the same armor.

Yes, but now 15 feet slower than I would be if I were in light armor, for what, like 2 points of armor class? I'm just not sure the trade's worth it.

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