Xavier319
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Alright, i'm playing an illusionist, and I use invisibility a lot. Now invisibility says this..
The spell ends if the subject attacks any creature. For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe. Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character's perceptions. Actions directed at unattended objects do not break the spell. Causing harm indirectly is not an attack. Thus, an invisible being can open doors, talk, eat, climb stairs, summon monsters and have them attack, cut the ropes holding a rope bridge while enemies are on the bridge, remotely trigger traps, open a portcullis to release attack dogs, and so forth. If the subject attacks directly, however, it immediately becomes visible along with all its gear. Spells such as bless that specifically affect allies but not foes are not attacks for this purpose, even when they include foes in their area.
Can i throw down a silent image without it breaking the invisibility? If i put down a silent image of say.. pitch darkness (another question) and blind the people inside of it (they'd have to spend a standard action to study it in order to get a save, or have someone tell them it's an illusion), does that break my invisibility? I'm a bit confused on this point.
| UltimaGabe |
Can i throw down a silent image without it breaking the invisibility?
Yes, as long as its area or effect does not include a foe.
If i put down a silent image of say.. pitch darkness (another question) and blind the people inside of it (they'd have to spend a standard action to study it in order to get a save, or have someone tell them it's an illusion), does that break my invisibility? I'm a bit confused on this point.
Yes, that would break your invisibility, as the area or effect includes a foe. (It's right there in the paragraph you quoted.)
| Some Random Dood |
Invisibility won't break unless you attack a foe directly. Casting things such as burning hands, fireball or black tentacle, while a foe is within the range of the spell would break invisibility. But casting something such as summon monster wouldn't break invisibility, because the summon monster is doing the attack not you. Now if you were to cast black tentacles in an area with no foes and a foe walks within range of it I don't believe that should break invisibility since they were not within range of it when you had originally cast the spell, so you did not attack them directly.
| Mabven the OP healer |
Invisibility won't break unless you attack a foe directly. Casting things such as burning hands, fireball or black tentacle, while a foe is within the range of the spell would break invisibility. But casting something such as summon monster wouldn't break invisibility, because the summon monster is doing the attack not you. Now if you were to cast black tentacles in an area with no foes and a foe walks within range of it I don't believe that should break invisibility since they were not within range of it when you had originally cast the spell, so you did not attack them directly.
This opens up some interesting tactics regarding shape spells, such as incendiary storm. You cast the spell so that the enemy's squares are excluded from the area of the spell, but once they move, they are in trouble.
This becomes even sneakier when combined with the spike stones spell, as it is shapable, and its effect is invisible, so the enemy wouldn't even know that if they step 5' in any direction, they are toast.
Xavier319
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hmmm on the topic of illusions. if someone makes a spellcraft check against one of my illusions, do they get a save to disbelieve the illusion? so if i cast illusion of calm, in order to hide my castings of further illusions, and the enemy wizard makes his spellcraft, does he then get a will save since he has a reason to think it's an illusion? and on that note, does making spellcraft end up giving him the +4 for 'evidence' that it's an illusion?
LazarX
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hmmm on the topic of illusions. if someone makes a spellcraft check against one of my illusions, do they get a save to disbelieve the illusion?
In order to make a spellcraft check, they'd have to first identify it as a spell. In other words, they'd have to successfully disbelieve it first.
| gnomersy |
Xavier319 wrote:hmmm on the topic of illusions. if someone makes a spellcraft check against one of my illusions, do they get a save to disbelieve the illusion?In order to make a spellcraft check, they'd have to first identify it as a spell. In other words, they'd have to successfully disbelieve it first.
Can't they spell craft to identify as you're casting a spell? Essentially identifying the spell based on the vocal components and finger wiggling.
In which case they know you're casting a spell regardless and they know which spell it is if they succeed. If they succeed I'd assume they get a save since they know there is an illusion cast although maybe not the +4 for evidence since they don't know exactly what the illusion consists of.
| UltimaGabe |
I'm not entirely sure if I'm remembering RAW correctly or not, but the only get an immediate save if they interact with the illusion. In other words, the impression I got is that if they witness you casting a spell and even if they know what spell it is (like, say, Silent Image), they can't actually see through the illusion unless they spend a standard action to actively disbelieve (and thus make their save). But, of course, if you see a caster cast Silent Image and then a big manticore shows up, you can probably just assume it's an illusion and not bother wasting the action.