The Glabrezu will corrupt the wish anyway to make something bad happen. It might not happen right then though.
Example:You wish to be a great weapon maker. You are imparted with the knowledge needed and invent one of best weapons ever. The weapon is then used to murder someone(s).
Slight off topic:There is a thread in on these boards called corrupt the wish or something similar. I have yet to see anyone word a wish in such a way that someone, and most of us are not as smart as a glabrezu, that could not be corrupted.
The GM might allow you to make a wisdom or intelligence check to try, but that is not a rule, just a GM being nice or setting you up for later. :)
How would you word a wish to increase your INT score?
Efferts can give 3 wishes per day and are not evil. Might be better to summon them.
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I have just come up with what may very well be the STUPIDEST way a PC could try to break the game.
1. Cast Planar Binding to call up a Glabrezu.
2. Apply debuffs to Glabrezu's Charisma and checks.
3. Force Glabrezu to give you a wish for free (opposed Charisma checks with Glabrezu getting +6 bonus).
4. Repeat as needed.
5. Realize you have angered several demon lords by enslaving their minions.
6. Die horribly.Of course, that's assuming that you don't word the first wish in a way that allows the Glabrezu to twist it into something that kills you.
You can't force a Glabrezu to cast a Wish on you, doesn't matter how high your charisma bonus is. You can bargain for one but no where does it say you can force it. That spell is not a compulsion type spell.
Edit: Remember, this is a DM controlled spell, you don't make the decision as to what the Glabrezu will do for you. I had a player try this before and I ended it pretty quick. I told him that the Glabrezu required the head of his cleric companion while he was still alive.
From the actual spell: "You may ask the creature to perform one task in exchange for a payment from you. Tasks might range from the simple to the complex. You must be able to communicate with the creature called
in order to bargain for its services."
"If the creature does not break free of the trap, you can keep it bound for as long as you dare. You can attempt to compel the creature to perform a service by describing the service and perhaps offering some sort of reward. You make a Charisma check opposed by the creature's Charisma check. The check is assigned a bonus of +0 to +6 based on the nature of the service and the reward. If the creature wins the opposed check, it refuses service. New offers, bribes, and the like can be made or the old ones re-offered every 24 hours. This process can be repeated until the creature promises to serve, until it breaks free, or until you decide to get rid of it by means of some other spell. Impossible demands or unreasonable commands are never agreed to. If you ever roll a natural 1 on the Charisma check, the creature breaks free of the spell's effect and can escape or attack you."
You're thinking planar ally shallowsoul.
From the spell planar binding. It says compel the creature to do the act. It also says no impossible or unreasonable demands so it still rests on dm fiat. Although reading on the glabrezu entry they might just accede to a wish or two, but I'm not really sure the caster would want him to.
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"If the creature does not break free of the trap, you can keep it bound for as long as you dare. You can attempt to compel the creature to perform a service by describing the service and perhaps offering some sort of reward.[\b] You make a Charisma check opposed by the creature's Charisma check. The check is assigned a bonus of +0 to +6 based on the nature of the service and the reward. If the creature wins the opposed check, it refuses service. New offers, bribes, and the like can be made or the old ones re-offered every 24 hours. This process can be repeated until the creature promises to serve, until it breaks free, or until you decide to get rid of it by means of some other spell. Impossible demands or unreasonable commands are never agreed to. If you ever roll a natural 1 on the Charisma check, the creature breaks free of the spell's effect and can escape or attack you."
You're thinking planar ally shallowsoul.
From the spell planar binding. It says compel the creature to do the act. It also says no impossible or unreasonable demands so it still rests on dm fiat. Although reading on the glabrezu entry they might just accede to a wish or two, but I'm not really sure the caster would want him to.
[b]You can attempt to compel the creature to perform a service by describing the service and perhaps offering some sort of reward.
You still have to offer it something that it will actually take. You can't offer it something stupid like a puppy and then think you are going to compel it into service. Again, this is going to be a DM run spell, getting a Wish cast on yourself isn't worthy enough for you to gain a bonus to a charisma check because it really doesn't benefit the Glabrezu anyway, that would be up to the DM to decide. Also, the caster is going to have to successfully use Dimensional Anchor or the Glabrezu is going to use Greater Teleport. Thing is, if you do hit it Dimensional Anchor all it has to do is keep using "Dispel Magic" on itself at will until he successfully dispels it and then he can teleport out.
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Ashiel has a great number of posts on planar binding, and why it doesn't work like that shallowsoul. Once the creature agrees to serve you, it doesn't get to say no anymore; this is with the exception of impossible demands (something it has no capability to do) or unreasonable demands (paradoxes and killing itself I imagine). Of course a GM could say that any demand is unreasonable and kill the spell, but we're assuming a GM who isn't a tool right now.
I think it was assumed in the above situation that the necessary perquisites for trapping the glabrezu were cast.
Perhaps does not mean must. You can offer it a puppy, its continued existence, or nothing at all and deal with the written modifier mod as per the spell's text. If a dm rules a wish spell as an unreasonable demand or an impossible demand then that is his own pejorative.
Edit: If I was going to make a binding based character I'd make pretty sure before the first die was rolled how the dm defines unreasonable or impossible demands.
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I have just come up with what may very well be the STUPIDEST way a PC could try to break the game.
1. Cast Planar Binding to call up a Glabrezu.
2. Apply debuffs to Glabrezu's Charisma and checks.
3. Force Glabrezu to give you a wish for free (opposed Charisma checks with Glabrezu getting +6 bonus).
4. Repeat as needed.
5. Realize you have angered several demon lords by enslaving their minions.
6. Die horribly.Of course, that's assuming that you don't word the first wish in a way that allows the Glabrezu to twist it into something that kills you.
Alternately;
1-4) same
5) Realize that you have *pleased* several demon lords by bringing more abyssal power into the mortal plane, and given the forces of evil and chaos a stronger foothold, in addition to corrupting yourself by casting [chaos] and [evil] spells to do so, which, *again,* increases the power of chaos and evil on this plane.
6) Eventually die and go to the abyss, bringing all that power you wished for right back to the people who loaned it to you, like pretty much everyone else who summons a whole bunch of demons.
Demon lords really couldn't care less if you wish up bonuses to your attributes and a pony made of solid gold.
They wouldn't send demons to the mortal plane to grant wishes if they didn't *want* to grant wishes, after all.
It costs them nothing to grant wishes, and the simple act of calling up a demon to get a wish from it is increasing the amount of evil and chaos in the world, and the number of souls they get to turn into new demons at the end of their lives.
The game is rigged. Be as clever as you want, the 'house' always wins.
Edit: If I was going to make a binding based character I'd make pretty sure before the first die was rolled how the dm defines unreasonable or impossible demands.
This is a good point. Even more important is "the thing that is too good to be true". I would definitely expect a setup.
Hell yeah I would expect a setup.
If a dm says hes okay with you binding demons to grant wishes then you can probably expect them to go horribly terribly wrong in strange and creative ways.
Edit: the above statement applies to any and all ways to work your way into massive cosmic power that require asking a dm's permission. In one group many years ago we all decided to start power gaming to make life more interesting for the dm. He yanked us into ravenloft.
Never get into an arms race with your dm in game. Invariably he/she will always win.
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Ashiel has a great number of posts on planar binding, and why it doesn't work like that shallowsoul. Once the creature agrees to serve you, it doesn't get to say no anymore; this is with the exception of impossible demands (something it has no capability to do) or unreasonable demands (paradoxes and killing itself I imagine). Of course a GM could say that any demand is unreasonable and kill the spell, but we're assuming a GM who isn't a tool right now.
Agreeing to serve is the part that is in question. The DM is going to be a deciding factor. Wanting a Wish is probably not going to give you any CHA bonus unless it's going to be used to cast a spell that will kill people. Wishing yourself an increase in bonuses is not helping the Glaberzu at all. You can't skip ahead to the end of this scenario, the OP is automatically assuming you get a +6 to cha for trying to force a Glabrezu into giving you a Wish for free, that's assuming your DM is a tool for letting this happen all willy nilly.
I've seen Ashiel's posts on this spell and I wouldn't call them great.
Edit: Demons and Devils live forever so they are not in a rush to leave. They can take their time and plan how to get out.
How are you going to keep a Glabrezu from using Dispel Magic on itself an infinite number of times per day until it succeeds, then it will just teleport out?
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Shallowsoul Circle of protection from evil is cast as a part of casting planar binding.
"A magic circle leaves much to be desired as a trap. If the circle of powdered silver laid down in the process of spellcasting is broken, the effect immediately ends. The trapped creature can do nothing that disturbs the circle, directly or indirectly, but other creatures can."
He can do nothing to disturb the circle and you cast dimensional anchor as part of the casting.
Edit: Casting dispel magic on said circle would definitely qualify as disturbing it.
This sounds like fun but dangerous. I like it.
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Shallowsoul Circle of protection from evil is cast as a part of casting planar binding.
"A magic circle leaves much to be desired as a trap. If the circle of powdered silver laid down in the process of spellcasting is broken, the effect immediately ends. The trapped creature can do nothing that disturbs the circle, directly or indirectly, but other creatures can."
He can do nothing to disturb the circle and you cast dimensional anchor as part of the casting.
Edit: Casting dispel magic on said circle would definitely qualify as disturbing it.
All the Glabrezu has to do is cast Dispel Magic on himself to get rid of the Dimensional Anchor, then all he has to do is use Greater Teleport to get out. The spell doesn't limit the Glabrezu to what it can do except for directly trying to escape. He can use his at will ability of Dispel Magic as many times as he wants to dispel the Dimensional Anchor, once that is done then his Greater Teleport will count as his once per day escape attempt. Magic Circle doesn't protect from dimensional travel.
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Shallowsoul Circle of protection from evil is cast as a part of casting planar binding.
"A magic circle leaves much to be desired as a trap. If the circle of powdered silver laid down in the process of spellcasting is broken, the effect immediately ends. The trapped creature can do nothing that disturbs the circle, directly or indirectly, but other creatures can."
He can do nothing to disturb the circle and you cast dimensional anchor as part of the casting.
Edit: Casting dispel magic on said circle would definitely qualify as disturbing it.
Here is how it works. You can't say you are combining all the effects.
You cast Magic Circle, then you cast Planar Binding to call the creature. Now once that is done it's initiative time. If you win initiative then you can hit it with a Dimensional Anchor to keep it from Teleporting. On it's turn it can cast Dispel Magic on itself to get rid of the Dimensional Anchor(better hope the caster has lots of Dimensional Anchors). The Glabrezu can then attempt to escape by pitting it's spell resistance or anything else it can do. Since it just used it's standard action to cast Dispel Magic it can't use Teleport. Now the caster will need to do something else quick to keep it at bay on his turn because if he doesn't then the Glabrezu is teleporting out to most likely kill the caster.
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I have just come up with what may very well be the STUPIDEST way a PC could try to break the game.
1. Cast Planar Binding to call up a Glabrezu.
2. Apply debuffs to Glabrezu's Charisma and checks.
3. Force Glabrezu to give you a wish for free (opposed Charisma checks with Glabrezu getting +6 bonus).
4. Repeat as needed.
5. Realize you have angered several demon lords by enslaving their minions.
6. Die horribly.Of course, that's assuming that you don't word the first wish in a way that allows the Glabrezu to twist it into something that kills you.
Alternately;
1-4) same
5) Realize that you have *pleased* several demon lords by bringing more abyssal power into the mortal plane, and given the forces of evil and chaos a stronger foothold, in addition to corrupting yourself by casting [chaos] and [evil] spells to do so, which, *again,* increases the power of chaos and evil on this plane.
6) Eventually die and go to the abyss, bringing all that power you wished for right back to the people who loaned it to you, like pretty much everyone else who summons a whole bunch of demons.Demon lords really couldn't care less if you wish up bonuses to your attributes and a pony made of solid gold.
They wouldn't send demons to the mortal plane to grant wishes if they didn't *want* to grant wishes, after all.
It costs them nothing to grant wishes, and the simple act of calling up a demon to get a wish from it is increasing the amount of evil and chaos in the world, and the number of souls they get to turn into new demons at the end of their lives.
The game is rigged. Be as clever as you want, the 'house' always wins.
I wouldn't say the part I bolded is enough to justify getting all the wishes you want.
"A successful diagram allows you to cast a dimensional anchor spell on the magic circle during the round before casting any summoning spell. The anchor holds any called creatures in the magic circle for 24 hours per caster level. A creature cannot use its Spell Resistance against a magic circle prepared with a diagram, and none of its abilities or attacks can cross the diagram. If the creature tries a Charisma check to break free of the trap (see the lesser planar binding spell), the DC increases by 5. The creature is immediately released if anything disturbs the diagram - even a straw laid across it. The creature itself cannot disturb the diagram either directly or indirectly, as noted above."
The dimensional anchor spell is not cast on the glabrezu. It is cast on the circle which he cannot target.
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3. Force Glabrezu to give you a wish for free (opposed Charisma checks with Glabrezu getting +6 bonus).
I'm reading that as the Glabrezu getting the bonus; i.e. the caster is eating a penalty, for not offering the demon a good deal, but believes he can take as long as he likes, until the check succeeds.
A dimensional anchor cast on the creature
prevents its escape via dimensional travel.
The creature can escape from the trap by successfully pitting its spell resistance against your caster level check, by dimensional travel, or with a successful Charisma check (DC 15 + 1/2 your caster level + your Charisma modifier). It can try each method once per day.
edit: I see what you were saying. Ignore the above. :)
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"A successful diagram allows you to cast a dimensional anchor spell on the magic circle during the round before casting any summoning spell. The anchor holds any called creatures in the magic circle for 24 hours per caster level. A creature cannot use its Spell Resistance against a magic circle prepared with a diagram, and none of its abilities or attacks can cross the diagram. If the creature tries a Charisma check to break free of the trap (see the lesser planar binding spell), the DC increases by 5. The creature is immediately released if anything disturbs the diagram - even a straw laid across it. The creature itself cannot disturb the diagram either directly or indirectly, as noted above."
The dimensional anchor spell is not cast on the glabrezu. It is cast on the circle which he cannot target.
Ahhhh I see.... Well the Glabrezu does have a great Intimidate score.
When a called creature dies it dies for real, unlike a summoned creature.
Creatures who are called actually die when they are killed; they do not disappear and reform, as do those brought by a summoning spell.....
That is true. The glabrezu can hang out all day every day until he fails a charisma check verses the caster. Of course the caster could insist on an impossible task, but generally when a dm says you can't do that trying repeatedly doesn't get you very far.
