can you take levels as both wizard AND sorcerer?
or maybe wizard and witch.
If you do, do you get the full list of spells for both classes?
if you take say... 2 levels of sorcerer and are a level 7 wizard. when you cast a spell like magic missile do you have to specify if its your wizard magic missile or your sorc magic missile in order to determine spell level?
is a wizard/sorc an insane choice? ^_^
I could be wrong about spell level, but I think it is the your total caster level, however you do have to keep track of what spells come from your wizards prepared spell list, and which spell you cast spontaneously.
I would say unless you are playing gestalt campaign, then it probably wont work very well at all
Your wizard and sorcerer spellcasting is entirely separate. You have two completely unrelated sets of a spells - a list of sorcerer spells known and a spellbook with wizard spells in it. You have a certain number of wizard spell slots that you fill with prepared spells every morning, and a certain number of sorcerer spell slots that you can use to cast only your sorcerer spells. The only thing that connects the two lists is that feats like Spell Focus and other similar things that just modify casting in general will work for both.
If you have 2 levels of sorcerer and 7 levels of Wizard, and you have Magic Missile in your spellbook and also as a sorcerer spell known, there are two ways to cast Magic Missile. If you prepared it in one of your wizard spell slots, you can cast it from there, and it will be exactly as if a level 7 wizard cast it. You can also use one of your sorcerer spell slots to cast it spontaneously, and it will be exactly as if a level 2 sorcerer cast it.
That is why, except for dipping one level of sorcerer to get bloodline benefits (many of which work on all spellcasting), Sorcerer/Wizard is an generally underpowered choice. A sorcerer 5/wizard 5 will have somewhat more spells/day than a sorcerer 10 or a wizard 10, but the spells will be less powerful because of the lower caster level, and you won't have access to high-level spells. In general, multiclassing a primary spellcaster - especially a low-BAB one - produces an underpowered character. There was at least one PrC in 3.5 that tried to help Sorc/Wiz keep up by advancing your progressions in two arcane caster classes at once, but I don't know of any such thing in PF. You could try to talk a DM into using a modified version of Mystic Theurge for it, but it'd be an even bigger trap than Mystic Theurge already is because you're not getting the same diversity of spell access.
can you take levels as both wizard AND sorcerer?
or maybe wizard and witch.
If you do, do you get the full list of spells for both classes?
if you take say... 2 levels of sorcerer and are a level 7 wizard. when you cast a spell like magic missile do you have to specify if its your wizard magic missile or your sorc magic missile in order to determine spell level?
is a wizard/sorc an insane choice? ^_^
Yes you can be wizard/sorcerer. Yes you get the full spell list. Yes you must decide whether you are casting a spell as a wizard or as a sorcerer. You cannot prepare your known sorcerer spells in your wizard slots, nor can you spontaneously cast from your wizard slots. You use Intelligence to govern wizard casting, Charisma to govern sorcerer casting. You use the caster level appropriate to the class you're using to determine the effects (a wizard 9 / sorcerer 3 casts magic missile at CL 9 as a wizard, and CL 3 as a sorcerer), as the caster levels do not stack.
It is a somewhat insane choice merely because you will end up gimping yourself because you can't progress both classes at the same time as you can with classes like Mystic Theurge or Cerebremancer, which allow you to hit 17/13 in classes. Best you can hope for is 17/3, which gives you 9th level wizard casting and 1st level sorcerer casting, which is horrible.
If your GM will allow it, the prestige class "Ultimate Magus" (or something like that) appears in the Complete Mage sourcebook for 3.5. The complete mage is a good book with little problematic content, and the prestige class is built around the idea of having both prepared and spontaneous arcane casting, and lets you hybrid them a bit. All in all, a pretty cool class.
Even in 3.5 you could not combine caster levels for these 2 classes.
Huh really I always thought it was different, that is you had caster level, character level and class level.
So a level 7 wizard, level 2 sorcerer would have X number of slots prepared by the wizard rules and X number of slots prepared by the sorcerer rules. However if he used that sorcerer slot to cast magic missle for terms fo damage/number of missles it worked off a caster level (wizard + sorcerer) of 9 even though he couldn't spontaneously cast the wizard spell list.
I've said it elsewhere but I really have to stop assuming things in this system are the same in DnD 3.x and read everything.
It never worked that way in 3.x either. That's actually one of the entire reasons for classes like the mystic theurge. Mystic theurge increases the caster level of both classes. The levels of wizard and sorcerer have never stacked. In fact, all classes that cast spells have their own caster levels unless specifically noted otherwise.
For example, a ranger 4 / paladin 4 / sorcerer 12 would have 3 caster levels: 1/1/12. It has always been like this.
Works this way in psionics too. You can't exceed your manifester level when manifesting and pumping up powers. Thus if you're a psion 15, psychic warrior 5, you can only spend up to 5 PP on your psychic warrior powers, and 15 points on your psion powers. The only thing about psionics, however, is your power points from all sources are pooled together; so you could use the PP from the psion class to manifest psychic warrior powers, or vice versa. However, multiclassing with psionics pretty much universally means you will have less overall juice and your powers will be weaker, so it's not a problem.
There was 3.5 prestige class that I cannot recall now that would work with sorc/wizard much like the mystic theurge does with wizard/cleric. It was about the same level of ineffective though.
