Synthesist Summoner build


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


Im playing a summoner in the forgotten realms campaign. so far i love being in the eidolon form and im only level 4. but as in my current situation my eidolon was sent back and i was stuck with summoning monsters. i have buff spells as a summoner and not so much damage.

basically the feats i have are:
Augmunt summoning
Spell focus Conjuration
Skill focus dungeoneering
Craft wondorus items

my flaw is curiosity which alows me an aditional feet and im human

i plan on taking eldritch heritage which is why i have the skill focus. im looking to mkae my summond creatures stronger. is thier any feats or items i can get to make this possible or am i at my limit?

also. what can i do to make my attacks better while in eidolon form. at level 5 ill have 28 ac with all the eidolon skills and mage armor cast. i can get my ac up to 32 for a short period. my strenght will be at 18. i cant take any feats because i use my eidolons str and dex mod.


Hmmm... a few observations: You CAN take feats that rely on your eidolon's str and dex - f.ex. Power Attack when you have str 18. But you'll only be able to use said feats when the eidolon is summoned.

Remember that you cannot summon monsters (with your spell like ability), as long as the eidolon is also present. You can summon them via spells though.

Look into the feat "Superior Summonings" - it makes you summon 1 additional monster when you use a spell that already summons more than 1 monster.

Dark Archive

Summoner’s Call
You have the power to call your eidolon one additional time per day.

Prerequisite: Eidolon class feature.

Benefit: Whenever you summon your eidolon, it is more powerful for a brief period of time. You may give it a +2 enhancement bonus to its Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution. This bonus lasts 10 minutes after the summoning ritual is complete.


WhipShire wrote:

Summoner’s Call

You have the power to call your eidolon one additional time per day.

Prerequisite: Eidolon class feature.

Benefit: Whenever you summon your eidolon, it is more powerful for a brief period of time. You may give it a +2 enhancement bonus to its Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution. This bonus lasts 10 minutes after the summoning ritual is complete.

WORST FEAT EVER!!!


Derwalt wrote:

Hmmm... a few observations: You CAN take feats that rely on your eidolon's str and dex - f.ex. Power Attack when you have str 18. But you'll only be able to use said feats when the eidolon is summoned.

Remember that you cannot summon monsters (with your spell like ability), as long as the eidolon is also present. You can summon them via spells though.

Look into the feat "Superior Summonings" - it makes you summon 1 additional monster when you use a spell that already summons more than 1 monster.

actually you cant take power attack if your character dosent have the prereqs for it. so since my character doesnt have 13 str but in eidolon form i have 18 does not mean i can take the feat. if i had 13 str then i would be able to summon it.

and superior summoning looks awesome actually.


JMD031 wrote:
WhipShire wrote:

Summoner’s Call

You have the power to call your eidolon one additional time per day.

Prerequisite: Eidolon class feature.

Benefit: Whenever you summon your eidolon, it is more powerful for a brief period of time. You may give it a +2 enhancement bonus to its Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution. This bonus lasts 10 minutes after the summoning ritual is complete.

WORST FEAT EVER!!!

i thought this was a spell.......


Jacob Armoir wrote:
JMD031 wrote:
WhipShire wrote:

Summoner’s Call

You have the power to call your eidolon one additional time per day.

Prerequisite: Eidolon class feature.

Benefit: Whenever you summon your eidolon, it is more powerful for a brief period of time. You may give it a +2 enhancement bonus to its Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution. This bonus lasts 10 minutes after the summoning ritual is complete.

WORST FEAT EVER!!!
i thought this was a spell.......

If only....


Jacob Armoir wrote:
actually you cant take power attack if your character dosent have the prereqs for it. so since my character doesnt have 13 str but in eidolon form i have 18 does not mean i can take the feat. if i had 13 str then i would be able to summon it.

This has been discussed here on the boards numerous times, and I think 99 % of the discussions agree that you CAN take the feat - because you can have your eidolon summoned more than 24 hours (and it therefore constitutes a "permanent bonus") - and therefore you can take the feat. But you vannot use the feat when your eidolon is unsummoned. I don't think there is definite answer from a developer though - so you might want to check with your GM first.


It is amongst other things discussed in the (very big) synthesist thread; here.

No direct answer - but both Jason Buhlman and Sean K Reynolds seem to think that you should be able to select said feats - but only use them, when the eidolon is present.


Ok, if you're taking Skill Focus anyway, I see literally no reason to NOT be a Half-Elf. Compared to Human, you lose 1 skill point per level and gain...

- The favored class option of +1/4 evolution points. 1 point is worth a feat (Extra Evolution), so you're basically getting a bonus feat every 4 levels.
- Immunity to magical sleep and +2 saves vs. enchantment. If you go unconscious, even just briefly, Eidolon suit goes poof (there is a feat to mitigate this, though).
- A +2 to perception, though sadly it would overlap w/ the skilled evolution
- Low-light vision

Seems like a good trade to me...


StreamOfTheSky wrote:

Ok, if you're taking Skill Focus anyway, I see literally no reason to NOT be a Half-Elf. Compared to Human, you lose 1 skill point per level and gain...

- The favored class option of +1/4 evolution points. 1 point is worth a feat (Extra Evolution), so you're basically getting a bonus feat every 4 levels.
- Immunity to magical sleep and +2 saves vs. enchantment. If you go unconscious, even just briefly, Eidolon suit goes poof (there is a feat to mitigate this, though).
- A +2 to perception, though sadly it would overlap w/ the skilled evolution
- Low-light vision

Seems like a good trade to me...

Actually, Racial bonuses (which includes the Skilled evolution) are one of the only types that stack, so you would still get it.


Racial boni stack in PF? I'm almost certain that wasn't the case in 3E. Does it say as much anywhere?

If it DOES stack, then Half-Elf is better still for uber perception, cause Skilled (Perception) is definitely a great evolution to get regardless.


StreamOfTheSky wrote:

Racial boni stack in PF? I'm almost certain that wasn't the case in 3E. Does it say as much anywhere?

If it DOES stack, then Half-Elf is better still for uber perception, cause Skilled (Perception) is definitely a great evolution to get regardless.

CRB page 208.


StreamOfTheSky wrote:

Ok, if you're taking Skill Focus anyway, I see literally no reason to NOT be a Half-Elf. Compared to Human, you lose 1 skill point per level and gain...

- The favored class option of +1/4 evolution points. 1 point is worth a feat (Extra Evolution), so you're basically getting a bonus feat every 4 levels.
- Immunity to magical sleep and +2 saves vs. enchantment. If you go unconscious, even just briefly, Eidolon suit goes poof (there is a feat to mitigate this, though).
- A +2 to perception, though sadly it would overlap w/ the skilled evolution
- Low-light vision

Seems like a good trade to me...

THIS IS TRUE... but my character back story and rp wise the human was the best choice. can't always powergame for the best. although if some one cast sleep on you they cant direct it at the eidolon or at me therefore the eidolon would go to sleep and i would be in a motionless form? so the eidolon form wouldn't go away. at least that is how i percieve it.


Jacob Armoir wrote:
StreamOfTheSky wrote:

Ok, if you're taking Skill Focus anyway, I see literally no reason to NOT be a Half-Elf. Compared to Human, you lose 1 skill point per level and gain...

- The favored class option of +1/4 evolution points. 1 point is worth a feat (Extra Evolution), so you're basically getting a bonus feat every 4 levels.
- Immunity to magical sleep and +2 saves vs. enchantment. If you go unconscious, even just briefly, Eidolon suit goes poof (there is a feat to mitigate this, though).
- A +2 to perception, though sadly it would overlap w/ the skilled evolution
- Low-light vision

Seems like a good trade to me...

THIS IS TRUE... but my character back story and rp wise the human was the best choice. can't always powergame for the best. although if some one cast sleep on you they cant direct it at the eidolon or at me therefore the eidolon would go to sleep and i would be in a motionless form? so the eidolon form wouldn't go away. at least that is how i percieve it.

For a synthesist there is no distinction between you and eidolon.. If it is asleep, you are asleep. If you are asleep, it goes away.


StreamOfTheSky wrote:

- Immunity to magical sleep and +2 saves vs. enchantment. If you go unconscious, even just briefly, Eidolon suit goes poof (there is a feat to mitigate this, though).

What feat is this? Can you link to it or cite page number and book? I could be very interersted in such a feat :)


Half elf racial trait dude. Its okay go get some coffee.


If you look at the last part of the text I quoted StreamOfTheSky wrote this:

Quote:
(there is a feat to mitigate this, though)

...and that is what I'm asking about.

And I'm having coffee right now btw - and it's delicious! :)


Half-Elf makes the feat far less necessary. But there is a feat to help.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/resilient-eidolon

No, you still don't get to sleep all night in your bio suit. But, it'll protect you from losing your eidolon over a temporary inconvenience. Like being killed and legally dead for less than 6 seconds before the cleric gets a Breath of Life to you. A trifling concern, really. Why should your eidolon have to go poof just cause your heart stopped beating?


Cool. I'll have to remember that :) Right now my synthesist/monk is more monk than synthesist but that'll change later - and then this feat could be handy indeed!


Derwalt wrote:
If you look at the last part of the text I quoted StreamOfTheSky wrote this:
Quote:
(there is a feat to mitigate this, though)

...and that is what I'm asking about.

And I'm having coffee right now btw - and it's delicious! :)

Mind if I have some evidently I need it.

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