When I grow up...


Rules Questions


Or rather, when I grow Large...

All Large creatures, no matter what other penalites or bonuses are listed always suffer the same generic bonuses and penalties, correct?

In other words, Large creatures always get -1 to attack, -1 AC, +1 CMD, +1 CMB, take up a 10' space and have a 10' reach, period. That's in addition to whatever other bonuses or penalties are listed in the effect that made them Large, such as an Enlarge Person spell or the Orcish Bloodline power?

Is it also assumed that - unless specifically stated otherwise, your weapons and equipment always grow with you?

It can get a little confusing, because sometimes the spell or effect makes mention of those standard bonuses and penalties and sometimes they don't. Enlarge Person mentions some of them but not all and then throws in a few of its own.

Enlarge Person

Spoiler:
This spell causes instant growth of a humanoid creature, doubling its height and multiplying its weight by 8. This increase changes the creature's size category to the next larger one. The target gains a +2 size bonus to Strength, a -2 size penalty to Dexterity (to a minimum of 1), and a -1 penalty on attack rolls and AC due to its increased size.

A humanoid creature whose size increases to Large has a space of 10 feet and a natural reach of 10 feet. This spell does not change the target's speed.

Power of Giants

Spoiler:
At 15th level, you may grow to Large size as a standard action. At this size you gain a +6 size bonus to Strength, a –2 penalty to Dexterity, a +4 size bonus to Constitution, and a +4 natural armor bonus. You may return to your normal size as a standard action. You may remain in this size for up to 1 minute per character level per day; this duration does not need to be consecutive, but it must be used in 1 minute increments.

Grand Lodge

You seem to be right on all regards.

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

All of those except reach are true. Lions for example have 5' reach. Dragons have extra reach on bite attacks.


Wiggz wrote:
, take up a 10' space and have a 10' reach,

Nah, I have a huge list of animals for my druid to take and most (!) of the large animals have only 5' reach, including Grizzly, Dire Bear, Bison, Hippopotamus, Horse, Camel, Lion, Rhinoceros, Tiger, Dire Tiger, Dire Bat, Crocodile, Shark.

10' reach is the rule but in the case of animals, the exception seems to be the standard.
Tough I guess weapon bearing things get their 10' reach
(animals can be quite strange about reach - the Chimpanzee is medium but takes 10' space and has 10' reach just as if he was large, tough that could be an error)
Wiggz wrote:


It can get a little confusing, because sometimes the spell or effect makes mention of those standard bonuses and penalties and sometimes they don't. Enlarge Person mentions some of them but not all and then throws in a few of its own.

Read over the description of the transmutation school. As long as the wording of a spell is not contrary to that it applies.

In general: apply the size boni to the stuff you said (and stealth) and do what the spell says furthermore (stat boni and in case of beast shape stuff like natural weapons and the like)

And if something is unclear to you - it's quite impossible to cover everything by the rules ("can I use hail storm to quench the fire of a burning house?"), you won't find everything, just ask your DM, as long as all players interprete the rules in the same way it's fine, eh?


Ksorkrax wrote:
Wiggz wrote:
, take up a 10' space and have a 10' reach,

Nah, I have a huge list of animals for my druid to take and most (!) of the large animals have only 5' reach, including Grizzly, Dire Bear, Bison, Hippopotamus, Horse, Camel, Lion, Rhinoceros, Tiger, Dire Tiger, Dire Bat, Crocodile, Shark.

10' reach is the rule but in the case of animals, the exception seems to be the standard.
Tough I guess weapon bearing things get their 10' reach
(animals can be quite strange about reach - the Chimpanzee is medium but takes 10' space and has 10' reach just as if he was large, tough that could be an error)

I'm sure what you're seeing there is the difference between Large (Tall) and Large (Long)...

Paizo Employee Developer

Most quadrupeds have shorter reach than bipeds.

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