ok, this is gaming the system a bit but oh well. the trick requires an alchemist, a potion of stoneskin (summoners get it as a third level spell and thus can make one for you) and the infusion Alchemical Allocation.
if you use the 2nd level alchemical allocation then drink the potion you get stoneskin, and keep your potion on top of that. drinking the potion lacks the expensive material component, and can be leveled up via discoveries (extend and enhance potion to up caster level and duration respectively). net result is a 4th level spell with an expensive component being cast using a 2nd level slot and no component, with the trick being repeatable. have i missed anything blatently obvious here?
It seems to work to me. I don't think it is gaming the system, but I do see how other might feel that way.
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While it does indeed seem to work, it's important to note that the ORIGINAL potion does require the material component to make.
The creator must have prepared the spell to be placed in the potion (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires.
Material components are consumed when he begins working, but a focus is not. (A focus used in brewing a potion can be reused.)
So you'd be out of pocket for that, but you could keep making copies with Alchemical Allocation without incurring any further cost.
I think that stoneskin is a weak spell. Too much money, when now there's ablative barrier. I think that it should give DR 5/ adamantine without cost, maybe something more.
as far as i understand it stoneskin stacks with ablative barrier. DR first, then five points of damage become nonlethal. as such, combine for win!
I believe it's a lvl 3 summoners spell
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This would work if you could somehow create a 4th level potion to begin with.
Brew potion creates potions of third level spells and below. Stone skin is at least 4th level on any spell list, as a result you can not make it into a potion. Further more, you can not use Alchemical Alocation to "recover" your spell cooonents, as Alchemist infusions are more "spells" than they are "potions".
If stone skin was a 3rd level spell, this would have worked.
It might help to actually read his post. He posted that Stoneskin is a 3rd level spell for summoners so they can make it into potions. Thus it can work.
have i missed anything blatently obvious here?
The fact that it now takes two standard actions on consecutive turns to "cast". But yeah, alchemical allocation is definitely one of the best utility spells for this and many other reasons.
Since you reach 16th level and potions works all day :)
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It might help to actually read his post. He posted that Stoneskin is a 3rd level spell for summoners so they can make it into potions. Thus it can work.This would work if you could somehow create a 4th level potion to begin with.
Brew potion creates potions of third level spells and below. Stone skin is at least 4th level on any spell list, as a result you can not make it into a potion. Further more, you can not use Alchemical Alocation to "recover" your spell cooonents, as Alchemist infusions are more "spells" than they are "potions".
If stone skin was a 3rd level spell, this would have worked.
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According to d20pfsrd, it is 4th level. As far as I know, they keep up to date pretty well.
It helps to do a little research before taking a condescending tone with someone.
That being said, I restate my previous argument against this working.
Edit: double checked my APG, shows 4th level as well.
From d20pfsrd.org:
Stoneskin
School abjuration; Level alchemist 4, druid 5, inquisitor 4, magus 4, sorcerer/wizard 4, summoner 3; Domain earth 6, strength 6; Bloodline abyssal 4
You were saying?
I'm' playing a summoner currently. This is one of his spells. I've done my research.