The Eidolon evolution for pounce states (Paraphrasing):
The eidolon performs a charge action and attacks with everything.
The Beastiary Version of pounce states that the creature who uses pounce can also use the rake ability. Meaning that if a cat with 2 claws and a bite has 2 rake attacks he can attack a total of 5 times.
I am of the opinion that you can't pick and choose the best and worst abilities for a given action, it is all or nothing, so despite the eidolon version of pounce not mentioning it, you should be able to make the rake attacks.
Are there any other opinions on this?
Yes, rake attacks are included in Pounce. The ability is the same no matter where you get it.
Rake is a natural attack and it was meant to give monsters with natural attacks an advantage or PCs who use iterative attacks.
Opinions are still divided on if you are allowed iterative attacks or natural attacks only with pounce.
However, the rules are quite clear that you can. Some people just don't like that.
The Eidolon gets exactly what the evolution says. During playtest there was another similar but different evolution / UMR case, and Jason mentioned that even though the UMR was different, you still got exactly what the evolution said. I think it was constrict.
However, the rules are quite clear that you can. Some people just don't like that.
The Eidolon gets exactly what the evolution says. During playtest there was another similar but different evolution / UMR case, and Jason mentioned that even though the UMR was different, you still got exactly what the evolution said. I think it was constrict.
Okie dokie, if you get exactly what the evolution says, then is it also safe to say that because the rend evolution doesn't restrict you to one rend per turn you can do it multiple times in one round so long as claw attacks hit in multiples of 2?
My main qualm over this is that Pounce should be Pounce, and Rend should be Rend. You shouldn't have to look up an ability and then compare the multiple versions of it to determine if it is Pounce, or if it is a "Pounce Like" ability.
Citation!
Nice find Cheapy.
Are you really saying that what Jason Bulmahn, the lead designer of the entire Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, said is less authoritative than what the lead creative director of Golarion, the very guy who said that his answers are not authoritative, said as an aside?
If not, what's your point? That because it's no longer the beta, clarifications from that don't mean anything?
Without trying to spark further argument, I think the point is that keeping the same name for abilities that are different creates a boat load of confusion that really needs to be cleared up.