Does Boon Companion increase your caster level w.r.t. Improved Familiar?


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In other words, can a 7th level character who only has 3 levels in an arcane caster with both Boon Companion and Improved Familiar choose a familiar with a minimum arcane caster level of 7?

Richard


Yes. Improved Familiar requires an "Arcane Spellcaster Level," and Boon Companion lets you treat your familiar "as though your class were four levels higher." "Arcane Spellcaster" being a type of "class," I can't see why this doesn't work.


No.

Though, as a GM I would consider it based on the merits of the player seeking it.


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The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level.

The abilities of your familiar are calculated 4 levels higher. The requirement for improved familiar is "sufficiently high [arcane spellcaster] level," not ownership of the familiar whose power is calculated as if you were of a sufficiently high level.


richard develyn wrote:

In other words, can a 7th level character who only has 3 levels in an arcane caster with both Boon Companion and Improved Familiar choose a familiar with a minimum arcane caster level of 7?

Richard

I don't think so. BC improves your familiar's abilities once you've obtained it. But by RAW, nothing in the text of the feat lets you sidestep the CL pre-requisites for obtaining such a familiar.

Of course, f your GM is willing to let you do so, I don't think it would deviate that far from RAI.

Sandeep

Sczarni

Yes but it would allow a Druid to count as 4 higher for everything... So it would make sense that a wizard would get the same benefit...

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No. It does nothing for your caster level, even for that feat prerequisite. A orange ioun stone would help you, though.


The feat says "to a maximum of your character level" so unless your a wizard/arcane sorcerer 3 and 4 levels in some other class, then no a third level character cannot do this.


No the two feats do not work together. Boon companion affects your effective druid levels for the sake of your animal companion.

Improved familiar requires you to have a certain level in a specific arcane casting class.


Concerro is correct. One is intended for Animal companions, the other familiars. These are not the samething. You could appeal to your DM for a house rule to use the feat as you intend...its not an unreasonable request, but as written they are not intended to be used together or even by the same classes.

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Lazurin Arborlon wrote:
Concerro is correct. One is intended for Animal companions, the other familiars. These are not the samething. You could appeal to your DM for a house rule to use the feat as you intend...its not an unreasonable request, but as written they are not intended to be used together or even by the same classes.

Boon companion works for familiars too, but it doesn't do anything for your caster level, BAB, saves, etc. where prerequisite are concerned. It just helps your effective level for familiar / animal companion abilities, to a maximum of your character level.


It does work for familiars. I guess next time I should read the feat instead of go off of memory.

Dark Archive

Thanks for all the answers.

I think my reading of the rules is strictly speaking no but there's no harm in allowing it.

Richard


Sorry Richard I got off-topic. Your initial question is still no, but if you multiclass the familiar does get better with boon companion.

Dark Archive

Would I be right in saying that a Sorcerer with Arcane bloodline and Robes of Arcane Heritage could then consider her level as 4 higher with respect to the Improved Familiar pre-requisites?

Richard


Nope. It would allow your familiar to improve according to the familiar chart,which is what boon companion does, but it does not improve your caster level for the purposes of getting the improved familiar feat.

The robe only improves the use of bloodline power as if your level were higher. Improved familiar is a feat, and not a bloodline power.

You would pretty much have to find a way to boost your actual caster level.

The orange ioun stone will get you one extra level. That is the only one I know of from Pathfinder that would help you get early access to an improved familiar.

PS:I have a stake in this also since I am thinking of a similar character.

Dark Archive

I must admit I'm thinking along the Eldritch Heritage lines now.

Richard

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