Do the rules say a player can or cannot do this?


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Prepare multiple lower level spells in the slot of a higher level spell. For instance, preparing two second level spells in a first level spell slot.

I read something about doing this as a way for a spell caster to progress beyond 20th level but I don't recall anything about being able, or unable, to do this before 20th level.


There is an arcane discovery that only wizards can take (in the place of a feat after or on wizard class level 5) that lets them take a slot and split it into two slots that are two spell levels less than the slot you split.

So if you start with a 3rd level slot and split it you'll get two first level slots for it.


Abraham spalding wrote:

There is an arcane discovery that only wizards can take (in the place of a feat after or on wizard class level 5) that lets them take a slot and split it into two slots that are two spell levels less than the slot you split.

So if you start with a 3rd level slot and split it you'll get two first level slots for it.

I think the existence of that discovery is enough to tell me that you can't do it otherwise. Thanks for the info!:)


Heh, back in the early 80s, I played an illusionist. Since they did such a poor job on 7th level illusionist spells, they threw in the ability to replace a 7th level spell slot with seven first level spell slots.

He would sometimes take seven magic missiles and become a living gatlin gun...


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That's rather the point of one of the uses of (Rary's) Mnemoic Enhancer. Using this spell (4th level) you can prepare 3 first level spells, or a 2 and a 1 or a 2 and two cantrips, etc.). Without the spell or the arcane discovery mentioned above or some other means, you can prepare only one spell in each slot.

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PRD wrote:
A spellcaster always has the option to fill a higher-level spell slot with a lower-level spell.

There's your answer. Can you use a 7th level slot to prepare a 1st level spell? Yes, but only one.

(This comes in handy when you have a spell you know you will cast a lot on a given adventure, but is otherwise an unappealing choice.)


Celestial Healer wrote:
PRD wrote:
A spellcaster always has the option to fill a higher-level spell slot with a lower-level spell.

There's your answer. Can you use a 7th level slot to prepare a 1st level spell? Yes, but only one.

(This comes in handy when you have a spell you know you will cast a lot on a given adventure, but is otherwise an unappealing choice.)

^ this


There are epic-level quick-and-dirty rules which work differently you may be thinking of:

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A spellcaster's caster level continues to increase by one for each level beyond 20th level. Every odd-numbered level, a spellcaster gains access to a new level of spell one above his previous maximum level, gaining one spell slot in that new level. These spell slots can be used to prepare or cast spells adjusted by metamagic feats or any known spell of lower levels. Every even-numbered level, a spellcaster gains additional spell slots equal to the highest level spell he can currently cast. He can split these new slots any way he wants among the slots he currently has access to.

Those are only for 21st+ level characters, though, and they're still permanent choices (not whenever you prepare spells).


Celestial Healer wrote:
PRD wrote:
A spellcaster always has the option to fill a higher-level spell slot with a lower-level spell.

There's your answer. Can you use a 7th level slot to prepare a 1st level spell? Yes, but only one.

(This comes in handy when you have a spell you know you will cast a lot on a given adventure, but is otherwise an unappealing choice.)

If you do this a lot, pick up Heighten Spell - then you can at least benefit from the higher spell slot (increase DCs and make it harder to dispel). It's also useful to be able to do this if you routinely leave a high level spell slot open to prepare later in the day. You can fill it with a lower level spell if that's what you need.

It's generally a suboptimal choice, though.


Bobson wrote:

There are epic-level quick-and-dirty rules which work differently you may be thinking of:

Quote:
A spellcaster's caster level continues to increase by one for each level beyond 20th level. Every odd-numbered level, a spellcaster gains access to a new level of spell one above his previous maximum level, gaining one spell slot in that new level. These spell slots can be used to prepare or cast spells adjusted by metamagic feats or any known spell of lower levels. Every even-numbered level, a spellcaster gains additional spell slots equal to the highest level spell he can currently cast. He can split these new slots any way he wants among the slots he currently has access to.
Those are only for 21st+ level characters, though, and they're still permanent choices (not whenever you prepare spells).

Yup, that's the text that inspired my question.

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