I know certain aspects of this series of feats has been covered, but after searching, I cannot see an answer that I have for something that occurred last night.
My H-Elf Monk 11/Rogue 2 was fighting a devourer, and since I was havign a rough time getting past his high AC (armored in plate, possible magical) I decided to grapple him. Got him into a grapple and a pin, which is when the GM said "Ok he's going to bite you, what's your AC minus dex". I said I'd rather use Sense Motive to determine the dex (Sense Motive is 23, so I'd have a fairly decent "AC" if I rolled average). He said that since I was grappling I wasn't able to do that. I responded that if I am aware of the attack I can.
NOTE: I'm at work atm and don't have the BRB with me. Is it possible to use Snake Style this way? (Thinking about it I think grappling automatically makes you flat-footed, and I think (but not sure) that you can't use SS that way while flat-footed.
Also, if that usage of Snake Style is used (and a valid use) how long does it last? Is it just for that one attack? Is it effective until the end of the round? At that point two people at the table were saying that since you have to use an immediate action that it's only effective for one single attack (since you have to use an immediate to activate it, and you can only use one immediate action per round).
Thoughts?
1. You can't use snake style flat-footed. So, in your situation your GM was correct.
2. Grappling does not make you flat-footed, it gives you a -4 penalty to Dex. Therefore, under normal circumstances you could use snake-style.
To your other question, snake-style lasts for the single attack, not an entire turn.
Addendum: If your GM says you can't use it, then you can't use it, regardless of what we tell you. Unless he is a PFS judge, then something said here might force him to change his decision.
Addendum: If your GM says you can't use it, then you can't use it, regardless of what we tell you. Unless he is a PFS judge, then something said here might force him to change his decision.
Being that he's a stickler for rules; I presented him with rules that show I was correct. I know the whole "The DM is always right", but at that point he was just reaching for reasons to shut down an ability I had that would be of benfit to me.
Side question: In the same fight, we faced a mummy that cast Harm twice and Slay Living at least one time. Being that mummies can have levels of cleric, what is the CR of said mummy (no other hard data avail, sorry)
Well, if you are assuming it got those spells from being a cleric, then I would say it is in the CR 13 range
I know certain aspects of this series of feats has been covered, but after searching, I cannot see an answer that I have for something that occurred last night.
My H-Elf Monk 11/Rogue 2 was fighting a devourer, and since I was havign a rough time getting past his high AC (armored in plate, possible magical) I decided to grapple him. Got him into a grapple and a pin, which is when the GM said "Ok he's going to bite you, what's your AC minus dex". I said I'd rather use Sense Motive to determine the dex (Sense Motive is 23, so I'd have a fairly decent "AC" if I rolled average). He said that since I was grappling I wasn't able to do that. I responded that if I am aware of the attack I can.
NOTE: I'm at work atm and don't have the BRB with me. Is it possible to use Snake Style this way? (Thinking about it I think grappling automatically makes you flat-footed, and I think (but not sure) that you can't use SS that way while flat-footed.
Also, if that usage of Snake Style is used (and a valid use) how long does it last? Is it just for that one attack? Is it effective until the end of the round? At that point two people at the table were saying that since you have to use an immediate action that it's only effective for one single attack (since you have to use an immediate to activate it, and you can only use one immediate action per round).
Thoughts?
It pinned you, or you pinned it? If you pinned it, then it can't make any attacks at all.
It pinned you, or you pinned it? If you pinned it, then it can't make any attacks at all.I know certain aspects of this series of feats has been covered, but after searching, I cannot see an answer that I have for something that occurred last night.
My H-Elf Monk 11/Rogue 2 was fighting a devourer, and since I was havign a rough time getting past his high AC (armored in plate, possible magical) I decided to grapple him. Got him into a grapple and a pin, which is when the GM said "Ok he's going to bite you, what's your AC minus dex". I said I'd rather use Sense Motive to determine the dex (Sense Motive is 23, so I'd have a fairly decent "AC" if I rolled average). He said that since I was grappling I wasn't able to do that. I responded that if I am aware of the attack I can.
NOTE: I'm at work atm and don't have the BRB with me. Is it possible to use Snake Style this way? (Thinking about it I think grappling automatically makes you flat-footed, and I think (but not sure) that you can't use SS that way while flat-footed.
Also, if that usage of Snake Style is used (and a valid use) how long does it last? Is it just for that one attack? Is it effective until the end of the round? At that point two people at the table were saying that since you have to use an immediate action that it's only effective for one single attack (since you have to use an immediate to activate it, and you can only use one immediate action per round).
Thoughts?
I had it pinned. He also did a Devour Soul ability (Supernatural, cannot be interrupted etc etc) on the subsequent round.
A lot of things don't click in this situation.
Devourers don't have a bite attack, and in any event a creature can't attack you once it's pinned unless it has a purely mental attack (and even then it will usually have to succeed a pretty steep Concentration check to do so).
I don't see anything stopping you from using Snake Style while grappled.
I believe su abilities are within the GM's discretion to use while pinned. But Bobson was right about him trying to bite you. It can't be done (usually).
I had it pinned. He also did a Devour Soul ability (Supernatural, cannot be interrupted etc etc) on the subsequent round.
That's wrong. Devour Soul requires a touch attack, which a pinned creature can't make.
It seems like your GM just doesn't like you succeeding handily against his monsters.
I believe su abilities are within the GM's discretion to use while pinned. But Bobson was right about him trying to bite you. It can't be done (usually).
Purely mental SU abilities are fine while pinned, but not ones requiring a touch attack, since a pinned enemy can't make a touch attack.
I could see a GM ruling that being pinned counts as "touching" tbh. :P
You need to carry rope from now on so that you can hogtie him instead of having to take punishment from your GM. Let's see him wriggle out of 20 + CMB.
I could see a GM ruling that being pinned counts as "touching" tbh. :P
I could see a GM hating grapple ruling that way. ;-)
It's been clarified on other threads regarding undead, such as wights and vampires, that touching them doesn't inflict their touch attack on you. They have to actually succeed on a touch attack for that.
Remember, the monk has the devourer pinned, not the other way around. That means the devourer can't move. Letting it succeed on a touch attack to suck out the monk's soul is cheesy and unfair.
Are you sure you GM is a stickler for rules? I get the feeling that he is a stickler for his players sticking to his rules...
You need to carry rope from now on so that you can hogtie him instead of having to take punishment from your GM. Let's see him wriggle out of 20 + CMB.
Somehow I get the sinking feeling I'd hear "Well you have to release the grapple to get your rope..." for this to occur.
Yeah, he doesn't sound like a rules-stickler GM -- he sounds like a "melee characters aren't allowed to be effective" GM.
Yeah, he doesn't sound like a rules-stickler GM -- he sounds like a "[PLAYER] characters aren't allowed to be effective [AGAINST ME]" GM.
corrected. haha!
Honestly, I think I had him flustered with the Snake Style thing. I believe he was completely unaware of the abilities of an SS Monk and was a bit irritated that I was able to change my effective AC, roll a better crit confirmation, deal piercing damage, etc, etc