Vupline Pounce and guns


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I'm currently playing a Kitsune Gunslinger and plan on taking vulpine pounce.

Here is a few things I'm wondering..

Say I charge a guy, using the vupline pounce feat, I get a full around attack at the end of a charge when I switch into kitsune form. Can I only attack the guy I charged? Or if I'm armed with a gun, could I hit him once, and shoot at other people?

What I'm wanting to do the most is carry something like the double Harkbut or some other crazy thing and shoot my target point blank in the face. (I'm taking a set of feats to stop me from being able to be AoO with firearms as long as I have grit.)

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Is there some Gunslinger thing that's letting you make a ranged attack as part of a charge? I don't remember such a thing, but it's been a while since I read through the Gunslinger.

As for Vulpine Pounce, the way I read it is you get to make a full attack against the target of your charge, since it uses the singular "opponent" rather than "opponents". Also, if it were a power that lets you make a full attack after moving double your speed, I don't know why they'd attach it to the charge mechanic (which is single target only).

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Attacking on a Charge

After moving, you may make a single melee attack. You get a +2 bonus on the attack roll and take a –2 penalty to your AC until the start of your next turn.

i assume the full round attack would have to be melee


Its the vulpine pounce, gives you a full attack.

I'd gladly accept its a full attack against the opponent, but Can I use my guns as part of it?


By RAW, pounce allows you to use ranged attacks as part of (or the entirety of) your charging full attack, since it replaces the melee attack at the end of the charge with a full attack, and it doesn't specify anywhere that you can only make melee attacks.

However, that's pretty clearly not RAI. Ask your GM before you try this.

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really we need to see the feat in question to answer any better


Its in the dragon empires primer. Since the wiki thing doesn't have it, I can't post it in here.

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

It's still a charge, and charge attacks are melee attacks. It doesn't need to say "melee only", that's already part of a charge.

Designers are generally (but admittedly not always) pretty good at calling out exceptions where they intend to make them. If Vulpine Pounce (or indeed, the pounce ability) was meant to let you make ranged attacks as part of a charge, it would say something like "Unlike a normal charge, you can make ranged attacks as part of this full attack".

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