Force missile range?


Rules Questions


The evocation wizard's force missile does not list a range. Should it be 30ft. as most other wizard school features(acid dart, blinding ray) or medium range as magic missile(100+10/level)?

Silver Crusade

100ft + 10ft/level

It functions as magic missile, as stated in the description.


It auto-hits it's target, as magic missile:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/classes/wizard.html#_wizard wrote:
Force Missile (Sp): As a standard action you can unleash a force missile that automatically strikes a foe, as magic missile. The force missile deals 1d4 points of damage plus the damage from your intense spells evocation power. This is a force effect. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Intelligence modifier.

There's nothing about it acting like magic missile in any other regard.


tevish wrote:

It auto-hits it's target, as magic missile:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/classes/wizard.html#_wizard wrote:
Force Missile (Sp): As a standard action you can unleash a force missile that automatically strikes a foe, as magic missile. The force missile deals 1d4 points of damage plus the damage from your intense spells evocation power. This is a force effect. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Intelligence modifier.
There's nothing about it acting like magic missile in any other regard.

The bolded text is the only part of it you need to know. It not only acts as a single magic missile, but is a SLA, so you don't have to speak or wave your arms.

A 20th level evoker can do it at 300' for 1d4+10 damage. Of course, by that time, he'd have little reason to use it, unless he wanted to kill a commoner or something. It does make a crossbow redundant, so that's less gear to carry.

If your GM allows content from the APG, drop it and take the admixture school, instead.


That bold text seems pretty clearly to me to be talking about how the force missile hits, that is to say: always.
From the magic missile description:

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The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat, so long as it has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can't be singled out. Objects are not damaged by the spell.

Also if you look at any of the other wizard school, or sorcerer bloodline powers that give a ranged touch attack it's always 30 feet. Why would this one be different?


tevish wrote:
Also if you look at any of the other wizard school, or sorcerer bloodline powers that give a ranged touch attack it's always 30 feet. Why would this one be different?

Because Force Missile isnt a ranged touch attack?


My point was that all those other powers, if they were ranged, were limited to 30 feet. The fact that force missiles do not have to make a touch attack roll(or any kind of hit roll) doesn't sound like a point in favor of it having longer range than spells it is supposed to be comparable to.


If there were a 30' limit, it would say so, just like all the other powers. It says "as magic missile."

And why wouldn't evokers get the best ranged damage SLA? It's their shtick. After a few levels, it rarely gets used, anyway.


If the ability read exactly as follows (nothing before, nothing after):

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/classes/wizard.html#_wizard wrote:
Force Missile (Sp): As a standard action you can unleash a force missile that automatically strikes a foe, as magic missile.

It would mean that it acts as Magic Missile in every way, shape, and form. But since there's text afterwards, then it still acts like Magic Missile in every way, shape, and form, except for whatever is listed afterwards. It doesn't matter what other abilities say, because it's not those other abilities.

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