Step Up and Pushing Assault

[DawnforgedCast]

I made a video for my question.

Is This Legit? Step Up and Pushing Assault.

Please leave some feedback! I'd love to hear all manner of views on this issue.

[concerro]

No it does not work. A 5 foot step is a specific action. Just because you push someone 5 feet that does not mean they are taking a 5 ft step. Now if step-up worked so that the requirement was only that they move 5 feet, not specifically call out a 5 foot step it would work.

[concerro]

Nice video though.

[Archaeik]

Agreed, Step Up is designed to counter a 5ft step which normally does not provoke. I imagine step up and strike counters withdraw actions??

Any way, relevant bits (bolded is mine)
Step Up
Whenever an adjacent foe attempts to take a 5-foot step away from you, you may also make a 5-foot step as an immediate action so long as you end up adjacent to the foe that triggered this ability. If you take this step, you cannot take a 5-foot step during your next turn. If you take an action to move during your next turn, subtract 5 feet from your total movement.

Neither of the other feats change the fact that this is an immediate action, and you only get one immediate/swift per round.

However, you got me thinking, would this trick work with Monkey Shine?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/monkey-shine-combat

Add in a ki focus weapon, hmmm....
(I see that it suggests the opponent needs to choose to move, but I still find it a gray area)

[concerro]

Stepup and strike does not counter withdrawals either. That is also a very specific action.

The key here is step up which calls out the 5-foot step.

monkey shine link

Monkey Shine only allows you to get an attack of opportunity if you stun them and then they use the 5 ft step or withdraw action. You also have to be using monkey style.

It does not combine with the previous idea in any way.

It is not a grey area. The rules are very specific on how things work. You must meet the listed requirement. That word "choose" is there for a specific reason. Otherwise you might be able to bull rush them and make it work.

[Archaeik]

Huh, I fail to see the point of Following Step then. If it's only every triggered by someone's 5ft step, why would you need to take 10ft? (especially as it doesn't exempt that movement from AoOs)

[Khrysaor]

Following step is allowing you to take a 10ft immediate step. You are able to outpace the guy making his 5' step by getting past him and corralling him to where you want him to go. Cutting off his escape route to allies. It provokes an AoO because if it didn't, you would be able to get flanks and stop people from running away far too easy.

[concerro]

Some feats are really weak. The only reason I would see to take it is so you can try to cut them off or use it as a tax feat for Step Up and Strike.

PS:I hate tax feats.

[Khrysaor]

It's not a tax. It's a great feat for people with a high AC and mobility that can force creatures to 5' step

[concerro]

How is it great? I can't see any tactical use for it except to cut people off, and even that is very circumstantial to me.

[ayronc]

Apart from the situation where the 5 foot movement isn't a 5 foot step as per the rules, the Following Step feat is an Immediate Action, of which you only have one per round (or one Swift Action) which means even if you were able to follow the first attack that would be the end of the chain.

What would be fun, however would be to use the 10' movement and the 5' pushing attack to keep whacking the opponent back to the square they were in previously, keeping them corralled as per the suggestions above.

[DawnforgedCast]

Thanks for the feedback on this guys. I ended up dropping the character only to replace it with another seemingly broken combination, particularly that of a Sacred Shield Paladin with Antagonize. I made another video about that which most of the feedback said it was a legit character. I'm still not entire sure though.