Can Firewall ZigZag?


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One of my players this weekend cast Firewall and when he drew it out he drew it in a Zigzag formation that would cause any creature going through the firewall to have to cross more than one to go through it.

Now I always though Firewall had to be a straight line from beginning to end but he pointed out to me it does not actually say that in the spell.

Am I missing something? Can it go in a Zigzag formation?


Personally, I think that the term "sheet" (as in "sheet of flame") implies something flat, but it's not 100% clear, I suppose.


Nothing RAW stops you from doing so.

The RAI, however, clearly intends for the wall to be a straight line, otherwise, there'd be no purpose for the Ring version of the spell, as the sheet version will always have enough length to make a ring larger than the Ring version.

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mplindustries wrote:

Nothing RAW stops you from doing so.

The RAI, however, clearly intends for the wall to be a straight line, otherwise, there'd be no purpose for the Ring version of the spell

That was what I was saying..


Some walls are shapeable some are not, a Wall of Fire is not shapeable:

Quote:
(S) Shapeable: If an area or effect entry ends with “(S),” you can shape the spell. A shaped effect or area can have no dimension smaller than 10 feet. Many effects or areas are given as cubes to make it easy to model irregular shapes. Three-dimensional volumes are most often needed to define aerial or underwater effects and areas.

So it has to be one of the 2 forms allowed, straight line or ring.

Quote:
opaque sheet of flame up to 20 ft. long/level or a ring of fire with a radius of up to 5 ft./two levels; either form 20 ft. High


The wall will zig zag, but have some 1 square wide narrow points, if the wall is set at an angle. Look at the pictures for a line, that's basically what a wall is.

Also, unless the spell says shapable (s) in its descriptor then it isn't. It has to go with the listed area type.


Abciximab wrote:

So it has to be one of the 2 forms allowed, straight line or ring.

Quote:
opaque sheet of flame up to 20 ft. long/level or a ring of fire with a radius of up to 5 ft./two levels; either form 20 ft. High

But it doesn't say "line", it says "sheet". I agree that a "sheet" should be straight, but it doesn't explicitly say so anywhere.


Exactly, while I think the intent is obvious, nothing about the word "Sheet" requires the wall to be straight--you'd be hard pressed to convince me that a sheet can't twist and bend.


looking in the dictionary under sheet, at the first definition that doesn't concern bedding or a covering of some sort we get:

3. a relatively thin, usually rectangular form...

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It's only allowed to zigzag when it's forced to by the conventions of battlemat mapping.

Strike that. essentially it's a line effect. only not drawn from the caster has an origin point. Your friends' cute trick isn't legal.

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Isn't (S) Shapeable for Area Spells?


That's what (S) says in the magic chapter, yep. And firewall doesn't have it...


Dragnmoon wrote:
Isn't (S) Shapeable for Area Spells?

Wall of Fire is an effect spell, not an area spell, but your point still remains -- it's not shapeable.

So if you can't shape it, it has to be in either the standard sheet or ring shape.

(See above comments about how "sheet" shape is undefined.)

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