Making scrolls from a Blessed Spellbook


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A player asked me if he can write a spell in his blessed spellbook and then rip off the page to use it as a scroll. So he gets a blessed spellbook with 999 pages and a level 1 scroll (for example).

¿Is this ok? I tend to think that like "the book of infitine spells" you cant strip it, getting scrolls from its pages... but not really sure.

Some help will be apreciated ;-)

BLESSED SPELLBOOK:

This well-made tome is always of small size, typically no more than 12 inches tall, 8 inches wide, and 1 inch thick. All such books are durable, waterproof, bound with iron overlaid with silver, and locked.

A wizard can fill the 1,000 pages of a blessed book with spells without paying the material cost. This book is never found as randomly generated treasure with spells already inscribed in it.


Nope. Same as your spellbook can't be used as a scroll. Your spellbook is all the precise wording and actions needed to invoke the powers you do. A scroll is basically the spell already cast just imbued into parchment and you need to read it to let the power out.

The cost that you're avoiding with that item is the cost of the inks required to scribe a spell into your own spellbook. There is no material item cost that is needed to scribe a spell into your book as your spellbook is just the theory behind the magic. You still need to provide the material focus for a scroll because this item is the theory and practice combined.

If you didn't do it like this your 1000 page book would be full of wish spells that need a 25k diamond.


Adriel Naur wrote:
A player asked me if he can write a spell in his blessed spellbook and then rip off the page to use it as a scroll.

For a wizard to scribe a level 3 spell (say, Fireball) into his spellbook takes 3 hours, uses up 3 pages, and costs him 90 gp in materials and costs.

If he has another spellbook with that spell already in it, and he's just copying the spell into a new spellbook, it costs half that.

In order for that same wizard to make a scroll of Fireball, it requires 1 day of work, expends the spell from his spells for that day, and costs him 187.5 gp. Assuming he has the Scribe Scroll feat.

So you can see that for about 45.45 gold, he can copy a Fireball spell into a new spellbook. Ripping out the page saves him 5 hours, the prepared spell slot, and 142 gold.

Assuming that you do not allow it to work with a normal spellbook, but only a Blessed Book, and that he created it himself, that's 6.25 gold per page. so the cost of scribing a Fireball into the Blessed Book becomes 63.75 gold (45+(6.25 x 3 pages)). Ripping the page instead of scribing the scroll still saves him over 123 gold. (If he is forced to buy the Blessed Book instead of creating it, he still saves 105 gold)

And the savings go completely crazy when you have expensive material components, like Khrysaor says.


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No. Just no. Totally illegal, and for good reason too.

If you could do this no one would ever buy scrolls since scribing spells into a spellbook is cheaper and faster than scribing an actual scroll. This is even more cheesy with a blessed book, as there is nothing stopping the scriber from scribing a spell into the book FOR FREE, ripping it out to cast it like a scroll, and then re-scribing the same spell. Essentially, he'd have 1,000 free scrolls for the low cost of 6,500 gp. What's more he'd be able to scribe high level spells quicker (scrolls take 2 hours or a day or more, scribing into a spellbook only ever takes hours).

This is not only cheesy and broken, it's illegal.


Thanks all for the quick answer!

Wasn't sure if you can strip a page to use it as a scroll, now you confirm me you cannot do this. I just told him a preventive no, but wanted to be sure about it.

Grand Lodge

Also, ripping out pages sounds like a quick and effective way to destroy his magic item.


Ravingdork wrote:

No. Just no. Totally illegal, and for good reason too.

If you could do this no one would ever buy scrolls since scribing spells into a spellbook is cheaper and faster than scribing an actual scroll. This is even more cheesy with a blessed book, as there is nothing stopping the scriber from scribing a spell into the book FOR FREE, ripping it out to cast it like a scroll, and then re-scribing the same spell. Essentially, he'd have 1,000 free scrolls for the low cost of 6,500 gp. What's more he'd be able to scribe high level spells quicker (scrolls take 2 hours or a day or more, scribing into a spellbook only ever takes hours).

This is not only cheesy and broken, it's illegal.

Somewhere around level 15 the PC would be thinking, you said we took how long off of the adventuring? 1 month bwahahaha. If you'll excuse me I have some craft checks to make. 5 craft checks. I'm never worrying about spell casting limits again. Woot.

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