Synthesist Summoner + slam & weapons

[Mark Garringer]

Wearing a biped eidolon with arms and slam evolution can the synthesist also make a primary (simple) weapon attack (as per the Synthesist weapon Proficiency)?

So full round slam + weapon, or standard action he could use either to attack?

Thanks!

EDIT:

Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack's original type.

I believe this means that if the Synthesist took a weapon attack it would be in place of the slam? Now if the eidolon had another limbs (arms) evolution it could make the weapon attack and then the slam as a secondary attack?

Someone please confirm or refute me here, I have a Synthesist PC who is about to be very unhappy. Thanks :)

[ShadowcatX]

Basically, you can only get 1 set of attacks with any given limb. If he has two arms, he could do a 1 handed weapon then slam with the other hand, but if he uses a 2 handed weapon he wouldn't be able to slam at all unless he got a second set of arms.

[Sniggevert]

I read the Slam attack as taking up the full set of arms evolution during an attack. Claws you get 2 of them for one set of arms evolution, so you could make one claw and one weapon attack. If they had 2 sets of limbs(arms) evolutions then they could have the 1 weapon and 1 slam(or 3 claws) as secondary attacks. At least that's how I'd run it.

EDIT:And as a standard action I'd say either slam or weapon, no problem.

[Mark Garringer]

Sniggevert wrote:

I read the Slam attack as taking up the full set of arms evolution during an attack. Claws you get 2 of them for one set of arms evolution, so you could make one claw and one weapon attack. If they had 2 sets of limbs(arms) evolutions then they could have the 1 weapon and 1 slam(or 3 claws) as secondary attacks. At least that's how I'd run it.

EDIT:And as a standard action I'd say either slam or weapon, no problem.

That's kinda what I'm thinking. I can't agree with ShadowcatX otherwise it seems like you could take a 2nd slam attack without the need for additional limbs.

So for example with 1 set of arms, a slam and a club, either a club or a slam attack as a standard. But not a full with both.

With 1 set of arms, claws and a club, either a club or (both?) claw(s) attack as a standard. Or a full attack with the club and 1 claw (at -5).

With 2 sets of arms, slam and a club, either a club or a slam attack as a standard. Or a full attack with a club and a slam (at -5).

???

[ShadowcatX]

Going back and re-reading it, it does seem the slam evolution works differently than most natural attacks do. You do only gain it once per set of limbs rather than twice like claws, but it doesn't state it takes both arms to do it. IMO, that would probably throw it firmly into GM / FAQ territory.

Marking for FAQ.

[Sniggevert]

Mark Garringer wrote:

So for example with 1 set of arms, a slam and a club, either a club or a slam attack as a standard. But not a full with both.

With 1 set of arms, claws and a club, either a club or (both?) claw(s) attack as a standard. Or a full attack with the club and 1 claw (at -5).

With 2 sets of arms, slam and a club, either a club or a slam attack as a standard. Or a full attack with a club and a slam (at -5).

???

1 set of arms (slam evo): std atk (club or slam)/ full round (no change, unless you get iteratives with a club due to BAB)

1 set of arms (claws evo):std atck (club or claw)/full round (1 club/1 claw -5) or 2 claws no penalty

2 sets of arms (slam evo x2):std atk (club or slam)/full round (1 club/1 slam -5) or 2 slams no penalty

At least that's how I'd probably run it. I know I've got a regular at my tables that has claws and bite on his synthesis and he uses them with a bas. sword and is really sick.