Do I need the TWF feats if I have a level in Monk?


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I know I asked this question before, but I seem to have forgotten the answer.

According to the core rulebook, a monk's unarmed strikes never count as off-hand attacks. Now this dispels the need for TWF for anyone who has levels in monk. But I was thinking do you need ITWF and GTWF for more attacks? Also do MoMSs need TWF feats?

This goes for my character who single-wields a jutte.


Having no offhand means having no extra attacks. What this does, is give you TWF penalty to Flurry of Blows, giving you bonus "TWF" attacks when flurry attack bonus ramps up.

Flurry is effectively your TWF + iterations attacks, and it scales up.

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If you want to take feats with TWF as a prereq, you need to spend a feat. Flurry does not count, last I heard.


Squawk Featherbeak wrote:

I know I asked this question before, but I seem to have forgotten the answer.

According to the core rulebook, a monk's unarmed strikes never count as off-hand attacks. Now this dispels the need for TWF for anyone who has levels in monk. But I was thinking do you need ITWF and GTWF for more attacks? Also do MoMSs need TWF feats?

This goes for my character who single-wields a jutte.

I would ignore the mention of TWF feat chain at all because the flurry of blows verbage is just using it to draw an analogy.

When you flurry, you get one additional attack at your full base attack bonus (monk lvl + BAB from other classes) but take a -2 penalty to all attacks. Your attacks have to be made with unarmed strikes or weapons that have the monk quality. At 8th level, you get another additional attack at your second iterative. At 15th level, you get another additional attack at your third iterative.

If you're playing a MoMS, you don't have the flurry of blows class feature and don't get any of that. A MoMS wielding a jutte would use his monk BAB, deal 1d6+Str bonus damage, get a +2 CMB on disarm, and get no special extra attacks (just his basic iterative ones). The monk quality on a weapon has zero benefit if you're not using flurry of blows.


I would really like it if flurry gave the actual feats subject to equipment restrictions the way Ranger style feats are subject to armor restrictions.

It's nice to virtually get the TWF line and double slice free, but it would be better to really get them so a monk multiclass that had the stat prerequisites could use normally purchased feats to progress flurry.


Atarlost wrote:

I would really like it if flurry gave the actual feats subject to equipment restrictions the way Ranger style feats are subject to armor restrictions.

It's nice to virtually get the TWF line and double slice free, but it would be better to really get them so a monk multiclass that had the stat prerequisites could use normally purchased feats to progress flurry.

+1 to this, but it might open up a lot of imbalances.

Like what I'm thinking is that they get TWF, ITWF, and GTWF for free, then the rules of flurry would be like "Uses the BAB of a fighter when using the full-attack option with a combination of two unarmed attacks or monk weapons"

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