Oracle and spell research


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I wanted to pose a question to paizonians out there: Can Oracles perform spell research?

Do you think they fall more in line with sorcerers (no) or clerics (yes)? I couldn't find a rule in the books one way or another and wanted to know what other people think.


Under Magic chapter in corebook, after Arcane casters, in the Divine section, it says a divine caster can use independent research. Does not limit it to any class.

So yeah, you can.

Grand Lodge

Yes you can.... BUT... you can't use this to exceed your spells known table. You can use it to create a new custom spell to add to your list, but you can't use it to know more spells than your effective class/caster level allows.


On the other hand, when you swap out spells know when leveling, you can dump it, then take it later on again.

Also, sidenote, general cost for making spells in this way is 1.000gp and 1 week per spell level. Tho if more fancy or powerful, like Wish or Create Demiplane, it might cost more, take longer, or require special materials or tomes.


Thanks for the replies Tyki11 and LazarX. I wanted to know how other people interpreted the rule about research because generally spontaneous casters, like the bard and sorcerer, could not. The oracle is a spontaneous caster too, albeit a divine one. Why the bard and sorcerer cannot I don't fully understand game mechanic wise, but if the oracle can then that makes the class that much more . . . versatile.


Sorcerers can research spells.

Grand Lodge

As can bards.... what I've said about oracles and spells known applies to both.


I guess I had a different interpretation of the rules listed under "Adding Spells to a Sorcerer's or Bard's Repertoire" in the Magic section:

"A sorcerer or bard gains spells each time she attains a new level in her class and never gains spells any other way. When your sorcerer or bard gains a new level, consult Table: Bard Spells Known or Table: Sorcerer Spells Known to learn how many spells from the appropriate spell list she now knows. With permission from the GM, sorcerers and bards can also select the spells they gain from new and unusual spells that they come across while adventuring."

The PRD specifically stated under the wizard that he could perform spell research, as well as under the divine casters section. Not so under the Sorcerer and Bard. Unless there were errata listed somewhere I was not aware. It's good to know how other people see it because if the bard and sorcerer can research then they're not as pinned down as I thought.


gameboydb wrote:

I guess I had a different interpretation of the rules listed under "Adding Spells to a Sorcerer's or Bard's Repertoire" in the Magic section:

"A sorcerer or bard gains spells each time she attains a new level in her class and never gains spells any other way. When your sorcerer or bard gains a new level, consult Table: Bard Spells Known or Table: Sorcerer Spells Known to learn how many spells from the appropriate spell list she now knows. With permission from the GM, sorcerers and bards can also select the spells they gain from new and unusual spells that they come across while adventuring."

The PRD specifically stated under the wizard that he could perform spell research, as well as under the divine casters section. Not so under the Sorcerer and Bard. Unless there were errata listed somewhere I was not aware. It's good to know how other people see it because if the bard and sorcerer can research then they're not as pinned down as I thought.

Think it's mostly because of their ability to scribe spells into their spellbook, which bard and sorcerer do not possess ability to use.

On the other hand, the Magic Chapter text allows using Independent Research for any arcane or divine caster. Though your quote says "select spells they gain fron new and unusual spells they come across." that could be read as "from spell researched" spells I suppose.

Anyhow, main point, Magic Chapter says you can. Classes don't say you can't. Therefor, go nuts. Personally, I used that to copy Artificer spells from Ebberon setting onto my alchemist :D

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