Pale Stranger (bestiary 3) and his guns


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If a character relieves a pale stranger of his 2 pistols do they still supernaturally reload them selves or does the character need to manually reload them.

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Pistols(Su) A pale stranger fights with two pistols. A pistol has a range increment of 20 feet and deals both bludgeoning and piercing damage. At a range of up to 20 feet, a pale stranger's pistol attacks resolve as touch attacks. While pistols normally consume bullets and black powder when fired, a pale stranger's pistols supernaturally reload the instant it fires them, allowing the undead to make multiple attacks in a round with the weapons. In addition any pistol a pale stranger wields functions as a +1 pistol. A pale stranger does not provoke attacks of opportunity when it fires a pistol in melee, and treats pistols as light weapons for the purposes of determining penalties from two-weapon frighting. Further rules for pistols, and firearms in general, can be found in Ultimate Combat.


Oh what bull mate.. They make monsters with the ability to duel wield pistols..


I have not seen it,but am guessing it is undead. I would say the magic is in the creature and not the guns. I myself would say they may not work in anyway in a normal persons hands.

Grand Lodge

Aleister Bastian wrote:
If a character relieves a pale stranger of his 2 pistols do they still supernaturally reload them selves or does the character need to manually reload them.

I haven't picked up a copy of Bestiary 3 yet, but is the Pale Stranger a corporal spirit of vengeance with blue eyes and a scruffy chin? :-)


Aberrant Templar wrote:
Aleister Bastian wrote:
If a character relieves a pale stranger of his 2 pistols do they still supernaturally reload them selves or does the character need to manually reload them.
I haven't picked up a copy of Bestiary 3 yet, but is the Pale Stranger a corporal spirit of vengeance with blue eyes and a scruffy chin? :-)

yes, pretty much inspired by those movies exactly.

Also: the power is (su) meaning it is possessed by the creature itself. After death it would appear that the weapons are nonmagical in every way.


Ah yes, monsters doing what players wish they could.

Grand Lodge

It seems they are just ordinary pistols, everything else comes from the monster.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
Ah yes, monsters doing what players wish they could.

This would not be the first one :)


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drat. although it gives me a few ideas

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
Ah yes, monsters doing what players wish they could.
This would not be the first one :)

Nor should it be the last!


Exactly, monsters get the abilities they need to provide the challenge required by their CR. A duel or multi wielding doesn't need to follow the same rules the player does. The critter is there for a few rounds, and is then destroyed unless someone underestimated the CR.


Still, its the thing that is advertised many of times for the gunslinger class. (Lots of pictures with multi-gun weilders)

It would be like a wizard who gets the ability to throw off AoE effects point blank and ignore the bad sides..

Or a level 5 cleric that is casting arcane spells, while wearing heavy armor. (spells that don't appear in any domain.)


Ævux wrote:

Still, its the thing that is advertised many of times for the gunslinger class. (Lots of pictures with multi-gun weilders)

It would be like a wizard who gets the ability to throw off AoE effects point blank and ignore the bad sides..

Or a level 5 cleric that is casting arcane spells, while wearing heavy armor. (spells that don't appear in any domain.)

You haven't said anything impossible yet.


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so if I have this undead trough leadership of whatever, can I hand him my gun and it gets reloaded for free?

Those poor undead, chained in the cellar of gunsmiths to create ammo ...

I really hope there will be an archetype for gunslinger with this SU ability


Like the Bearded Devils halberd...


I think it's awesome it can dual wield with no issues. Bring the unholy fear of pistols on my players. But I do have a question on how it's getting 3 off-hand attacks without Greater Two-Weapon Fighting feat.


Is it? Could it have rapid shot?


Richard Leonhart wrote:

so if I have this undead trough leadership of whatever, can I hand him my gun and it gets reloaded for free?

Those poor undead, chained in the cellar of gunsmiths to create ammo ...

The way the text is worded, they can't stockpile ammo for you - the guns reload when they are fired, so 1 bullet is used for each bullet "created."


Abraham spalding wrote:
Is it? Could it have rapid shot?

No, and it's not taking the extra -2 associated with rapid shot either.

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