Monks, Synthesis Summoners and the improved damage feature.

[Thomas Long 175]

So when you combine with your eidolon I'm presuming since you treat yourself as large in all other respects you gain large monk damage.

Does this mean that you can apply your monk damage to claw attacks or do you still have to use fists? What happens if you take improved damage? Do you move up to the next part along the monk damage track?

If it makes any difference I took feral combat training

[Rocky Williams 530]

Thomas Long 175 wrote:

So when you combine with your eidolon I'm presuming since you treat yourself as large in all other respects you gain large monk damage.

Does this mean that you can apply your monk damage to claw attacks or do you still have to use fists? What happens if you take improved damage? Do you move up to the next part along the monk damage track?

If it makes any difference I took feral combat training

Monk damage isn't a bonus die, it's the amount of the attack. So, you wouldn't add it to the synthesists attacks. And you're only large if you take the large evolution. But that would affect the synthesists attacks he gained through evolutions. Now, if you had no natural attacks, or didn't want to use them, then yes he could use the monk damage. You have problems though multiclassing, because you lose evolutions and quite a few eidolon advancements as the summoner, or you lose damage and abilities from the monks attacks for every level in the other class you take.

[Thomas Long 175]

Rocky Williams 530 wrote:

Thomas Long 175 wrote:

So when you combine with your eidolon I'm presuming since you treat yourself as large in all other respects you gain large monk damage.

Does this mean that you can apply your monk damage to claw attacks or do you still have to use fists? What happens if you take improved damage? Do you move up to the next part along the monk damage track?

If it makes any difference I took feral combat training

Monk damage isn't a bonus die, it's the amount of the attack. So, you wouldn't add it to the synthesists attacks. And you're only large if you take the large evolution. But that would affect the synthesists attacks he gained through evolutions. Now, if you had no natural attacks, or didn't want to use them, then yes he could use the monk damage. You have problems though multiclassing, because you lose evolutions and quite a few eidolon advancements as the summoner, or you lose damage and abilities from the monks attacks for every level in the other class you take.

I'm not adding it onto them as bonus I'm treating myself as a large monk (I took a feat that adds half non monk levels to monk levels for unarmed damage and the monks robe). So basically I have to forgo the eidolon's natural attacks to get monk damage though?

[Weables]

You can use natural attacks together with unarmed strikes, but you take a -5 to all natural attacks, basically. I dont have the rules quote on me, but I'm sure someone will chime in with it.

[Derwalt]

...and you can't use Flurry of Blows in addition to natural attacks. Not even with Feral Combat Training (that just lets you use a natural attack as a "monk" weapon e.g. making your FoB with that natural attack). If I remember these rules correctly that is...

[Bobson]

I'd say you use the large monk damage track, but you otherwise have all the same restrictions as a regular monk with natural weapons:
You can flurry with unarmed strikes (at normal large monk damage for your level) and/or your selected natural weapon. The natural weapon does its normal damage, but gains no extra damage from your monk levels. Both your unarmed strikes and your natural weapon would add your strength mod in damage (not half or +50%).