Magicdealer
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So, after spending too much time searching for strange character ideas, I finally got in my head the concept of an alchemist that dual wields longbows.
Specifically, he uses the vestigial arm discovery twice to net himself two more arms to use as part of the two-weapon fighting chain.
As a sidenote, he's also a vivisectionist with the tumor familiar and the feat that grants his tumor a 1 point evolution for +8 racial to UMD. The tumor uses a wand of grease while he fires two bows at the same time. Eventually he gets Imp. Invis.
So the question is whether or not you CAN two-weapon fight with longbows, or any type of bow or crossbow. Usually, needing two hands prevents it from even being an option. However, ranged weapons don't have a default sizing for two-weapon fighting. So, weirdness.
| hgsolo |
Well let's look at vestigial arm:
The arm does not give the alchemist any extra attacks or actions per round, though the arm can wield a weapon and make attacks as part of the alchemist’s attack routine (using two-weapon fighting). The arm can manipulate or hold items as well as the alchemist’s original arms (for example, allowing the alchemist to use one hand to wield a weapon, another hand to hold a potion, and the third hand to throw a bomb).
So the extra arm can be used for TWF. The real question is, can you TWF with bows. My answer as a GM would simply be no, that's why you have the rapid shot line. I still think this is a hilarious concept though, and I think you should try to con your GM into allowing it. >:)
| AdamMeyers |
I would say it's completely plausible, the question is if it's rapid shot or two-weapon fighting.
I would say two-weapon fighting because you're doing it with two-weapons (rapid shot is about using the same weapon to fire more often.)
The next question is can you use rapid shot with two-weapon fighting to fire even more shots from each bow. The anti-game breaker in me says no, but the GM in me says
a. that's an awesome concept,
b. it's got a high feat cost, and
c. technically speaking long bows are not light weapons, so with the -2 for rapid shot plus the -4 for TWF you'd end up with a total of -6 to attacks in exchange for, in essence, attacking with 4 weapons (so break out enchantments and even more feats to overcome that detriment.)
That not only sounds balanced to me, but plausible and fun. The rules seem to allow it, it's not game=breaking, and I'd love to GM a character like that. I say go for it.
| Maugan22 |
I've got a bit of experience as an archer, both with LARP combat archery and target archery. So I'm coming at this as a guy who knows his way around a bow.
I would say this would be plausible but somewhat ineffective.
A) you sight down the arrow to aim
B) ideal archery stance has the bow at perpendicular to the ground
you would only be able to sight down one bow and would be firing somewhat blind with the other. Also you would need to slant both bows enough that they wouldn't clash perhaps 10-20 degrees off perpendicular
I would say you should take -2 with the primary and -4 or more with the secondary at very least.
This sounds to me like you would want a dedicated feat instead of/ or in addition to two weapon fighting.
There's a 3.5 precedent for this, and a good image to visualize
Check out arrow demon p34 in Monster Manual 3
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/iw_arrow_demon.jpg
| Quantum Steve |
There's absolutely nothing in the rules that would prevent you from doing this.
You can TWF with ranged weapons, you can even TWF and still get rapid shot, though the penalties would stack.
You can TWF with Two-Handed weapons provided you have enough hands.
Longbows aren't light weapons, so you would definitely get the penalties from that as well.
Your DM could say NO, I suppose. He could also not allow TWF at all if he wanted, in his home games, but there's nothing in the TFW description that puts limits on what weapons you can and can't fight with.
Magicdealer
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Heh, I love that comic :D
I went with the vestigial arm because it specifically says it has the strength and dexterity to wield a weapon.
So, with the multi-weapon fighting feat, would you still be able to pick up improved and greater twf?
And would the different ranged weapons fall into different size categories for twf, or would they all be the equivalent of a two-handed weapon?
blackbloodtroll
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You cannot use this discovery to gain multiweapon fighting. Sounds strange, but developers have stated as such. You can wield two greatswords, but not four daggers. It is to balance the discovery. You can do other things like hold a shield and two weapon fight, but not anything that would gain you anymore attacks than two weapon fighting would.