Alchemists' Extracts and Intelligence Drain


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If an Alchemist gets hit by a large enough Intelligence Drain, would some/all of his already prepared Extracts become inert?
And what about the reverse: could an Alchemist wring a few more Extracts out of a temporary Intelligence increase while preparing them?


On the second the answer is a complete no.

On the first I'm not completely sure, but I would think so.

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

I would guess that once you create an extract it retains it's power, but if you haven't created them yet you would lost them.

To be honest though I'm not sure.


If the temporary Int increase lasts under 24 hours, no. You would gain bonus spells only if the increase lasted for over 24 hours, and only while the increase lasts.

About the other question, I'm not really sure. Extracts work different than any other spell caster and work exactly like potions.

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

If they worked exactly like potions they would be easy to figure out. That's not really the case though. Much of the time they work more like a spell.


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When an alchemist mixes an extract, he infuses the chemicals and reagents in the extract with magic siphoned from his own magical aura. An extract immediately becomes inert if it leaves the alchemist’s possession, reactivating as soon as it returns to his keeping—an alchemist cannot normally pass out his extracts for allies to use (but see the “infusion” discovery below). An extract, once created, remains potent for 1 day before becoming inert, so an alchemist must re-prepare his extracts every day. Mixing an extract takes 1 minute of work—most alchemists prepare many extracts at the start of the day or just before going on an adventure, but it’s not uncommon for an alchemist to keep some (or even all) of his daily extract slots open so that he can prepare extracts in the field as needed.

I'm thinking he's good for that day if he had them prepared before hand.


Gnome Punting Season wrote:
If the temporary Int increase lasts under 24 hours, no. You would gain bonus spells only if the increase lasted for over 24 hours, and only while the increase lasts.
The duration is hardly an issue, since Extracts can be prepared in one minute. I guess you're right about the 24h though, as an Alchemist
PRD wrote:
receives bonus extracts per day if he has a high Intelligence score, in the same way a wizard receives bonus spells per day.

Extracts aren't potions, but they aren't "re-fluffed" spells either. Some clarifications would be nice, regarding this and other issues. Like pooring an extract down someone else's throat, or adding Wizard spells as Formulae without them explicitly being on the Alchemist's list...


VRMH wrote:
If an Alchemist gets hit by a large enough Intelligence Drain, would some/all of his already prepared Extracts become inert?

No.

prd wrote:
Temporary Bonuses: Temporary increases to your Intelligence score give you a bonus on Intelligence-based skill checks. This bonus also applies to any spell DCs based on Intelligence.

Temporary bonuses give bonuses on Int-based skill checks and spell DCs ond nothing else.

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And what about the reverse: could an Alchemist wring a few more Extracts out of a temporary Intelligence increase while preparing them?
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An alchemist can prepare an extract of any formula he knows. To learn or use an extract, an alchemist must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the extract’s level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against an alchemist’s extract is 10 + the extract level + the alchemist’s Intelligence modifier.

If you get Int drained, you can't "learn or use" extracts.

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Extracts aren't potions, but they aren't "re-fluffed" spells either. Some clarifications would be nice, regarding this and other issues. Like pooring an extract down someone else's throat, or adding Wizard spells as Formulae without them explicitly being on the Alchemist's list...

What makes you think you can pour extracts down someone's throat?

No class can learn spells not on their list without research.

Spell Research is such a GM dependent rule, it's more up to the GM how it would work. If the GM let's an Alchemist research extracts, it would work exactly like every other class researching spells.
The only difference is that an Alchemist would use a knowledge skill appropriate to his class. Craft(Alchemy) might make more sense, but an Alchemist's class bonus to that skill would affect his ability to research in ways other classes wouldn't get.

So, I suppose you could go ahead and hit the FAQ button to ask which skills an Alchemist uses to research extracts.


Quantum Steve wrote:
What makes you think you can pour extracts down someone's throat?

Well, you can poor potions down the throat of a dying buddy. But potions don't care about who "possesses" them.


VRMH wrote:
Quantum Steve wrote:
What makes you think you can pour extracts down someone's throat?
Well, you can poor potions down the throat of a dying buddy.

Ah. Then it should work just like pouring a potion down someone's throat.

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But potions don't care about who "possesses" them.

Good point. So a better question should be: Can an Alchemist pour extracts down someone's throat without the Infusion discovery?

PRD wrote:

Infusion

Benefit: When the alchemist creates an extract, he can infuse it with an extra bit of his own magical power. The extract created now persists even after the alchemist sets it down. As long as the extract exists, it continues to occupy one of the alchemist’s daily extract slots. An infused extract can be imbibed by a non-alchemist to gain its effects.

Implying a regular extract cannot be imbibed by a non-alchemist. So, maybe not.

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